LL-L "Etymology" 2003.04.01 (02) [E]

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From: Stella en Henno <stellahenno at hetnet.nl>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2003.04.01 (01) [E]

> What I really wanted to talk about, actually ask about, is the LS word
> _mang_ (~ _mank_ [ma.Nk]) 'among'. People who make up Lowlands Saxon on
the
> basis of German will often say _ünner_ 'under' instead, because German
> _unter_ 'under' also means 'among', or they will say _twüschen_, because
> German _zwischen_ means both 'between' and 'among'; e.g.,
>
> German: Unter/Zwischen hundert kenne ich ihn heraus.
> LS: Mang hunnerd kenn ik em ruut.
> (* Ünner/Twüschen hunnerd kenn ik em ruut.)
> I can tell/pick him from among a hundred.
>
> As you can probably tell, LS _mang_ seems to be related to English "among"
> and Scots _amang_ (< _emong_ ~ _imong_ < _ymong_ < _onmang_ < Old English
> _on gemang_ "in a crowd/throng").
>
[snip]
> My question (besides if we can elaborate on the etymology) is if cognates
of
> LS _mang_, English "among" and Scots _amang_ exist in other Lowlands
> language varieties.
>
> As far as I can tell, Dutch and Afrikaans use _tussen_and Westerlauwer
> Frisian _tusken_ for 'among' , meaning also 'between'.
>
> Might this _mang_/"among"/_amang_ thing be a Saxon feature?
>
> Thanks for thinking about it.
>
> Regards,
> Reinhard/Ron

There is also the WFrisian "mank" with this meaning: "tussen, te midden van"
Examples: "de plysje kaam der mank", "mank de esken stie it hûske",
"earne mei mank gean" (= Dutch: ergens mee gepaard gaan)
also: middenmank: "Dy jonge sit middenmank de grutte manlju".
(example sentences from it Frysk Wurdboek).

Henno Brandsma

Your etymology is probably correct, but I haven't checked yet.

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From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
Subject: Etymology
Thanks a lot, Henno!

It's all very close to Northern Lowlands Saxon (Low German):

WFries.:
> "de plysje kaam der mank",

LS:
De Polizei* keem/güng daar mang.
("The police came/went there among")
The police got involved. ~ The police intervened.
(* German loan; _polisie ~ poliesje_ in LS of the Netherlands)

I suppose in this context you could also say _twüschen_ 'between' instead of
_mang ~ mank_, namely in the sense of "intervening" or "mediating (between
the parties involved)."

WFries.:
> "mank de esken stie it hûske",

LS:
Mang de Ischen (~ Eschen) stünd dat Hüüske(n).
("Among the ashtrees stood the little-house.")
There was the little house standing there among the ashtrees.

WFries:
> "earne mei mank gean" (= Dutch: ergens mee gepaard gaan)

This would probably not apply in LS if the sense of 'in pairs' or 'in
company' is supposed to be conveyed. I suppose we would then use _lang_ ~
_lank_ 'along' and say something like ...

LS:
jichtens(wen) mit lang gahn (~ langgahn ~ lank gahn ~ lankgahn)
to go along with someone, to accompany someone

WFries:
> also: middenmank:

Same here:
middenmang ~ middenmank ~ merrnmang ~ merrnmank ~ etc.
incorporating the idea of "middle," thus something like English "amid(st)"
(e.g., "amidst/among her peers") or "in among."

WFries:
> "Dy jonge sit middenmank de grutte manlju".

LS:
De Jung sitt middenmang de groten Mannslüüd' (~ ...lü(e)).
("The boy sits amid the big men-folk")
The boy sits among the grown-up men.

Thanks, and regards,
Reinhard/Ron

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