LL-L "Etymology" 2003.04.17 (05) [E]

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From: Críostóir Ó Ciardha <paada_please at yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: LL-L "Language varieties" 2003.04.16 (08) [E]


Colin Wilson wrote: "_skerrie_ (G. _sgeir_, a
reef); _linn_ (G. _linne_, a pool)."

Isn't G. _sgeir_ a loan from Norse?

Criostóir.

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From: Wim <wkv at home.nl>
Subject:LL-L "Etymology" 2003.04.17 (03) [E]

>From wkv at home.nl wim verdoold.

Hi,
 chava?   It's not gothic...   sounds like shabby to me. Or like heavy.
http://www.geocities.com/velikovski_project/Gothic.htm Wasn't on this
word list that word...

wim.

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From: Douglas G. Wilson <douglas at nb.net>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2003.04.17 (03) [E]

>On a recent expedition to the goth Mecca of the UK (ie Whitby,
>Yorks.), I was saying to a goth from Sheffield that I might go
>down and see Scarborough. She replied that "Scarborough is very
>chava."

>My first hunch was that this "chava" could have been introduced from Romany
>or Polari, but searches yielded nothing promising.

This seems to be the same as "charver", which has various senses, and which
is *possibly* from Polari or Romany: see for example slang dictionaries by
Partridge, Green; or on the Web

http://www.odps.org/

(probably the pertinent sense, = "kappa slapper" etc.)

http://www.dictionaryofslang.co.uk/

(= "boy" etc.; see also "chavvy")

"Charver" may be the same as "chauver" = "f*ck" etc., appearing in Farmer
and Henley (1891) in the form "chauvering donna/moll" = "prostitute"; "to
chauver" is taken as "to have sex" here ... but I wonder whether the
development might have been the other way, "chauver" < "chauvering
donna/moll" = "prostitute" < (*?)"chaffering donna/moll", with "chaffer" =
"traffic"/"do business".

None of these seems to be known much in the US.

-- Doug Wilson

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From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
Subject: Etymology

Doug (above, who quoted Sandy Fleming, by the way):

> (= "boy" etc.; see also "chavvy")

That seems to go back to Romany _chavi_ '(Roma) girl' or _chavo_ '(Roma)
boy' (as opposed to _rakli_ and _raklo_ in reference to non-Roma girls and
boys respectively).

Cheers!
Reinhard/Ron

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