LL-L "Etymology" 2003.12.09 (09) [E]

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From: Kenneth Rohde Christiansen <kenneth at gnu.org>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2003.12.09 (07) [D/E]

I didn't really follow the thread, but just wanted to mention that
smöydig is smidig in Danish. And that eng. "host" is "værte" if that
gives any ideas.

Cheers, Kenneth

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From: Wim <wkv at home.nl>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2003.12.09 (05) [E]

>>From wim verdoold  wkv at home.nl

Hi ,

 ouwel is  what the Romans eat in church.

Smeuig is  what  butter should be if  you want to be able  to put it on
your bread..   not  to  dry  or  to  hard.

Wim.

http://members.home.nl/wim.sonjaverdoold/merry_christmas.html

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From: Philip Ernest Barber <pbarber at loc.gov>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2003.12.09 (07) [D/E]

Rice can't be used for the Host in the Catholic Mass (or in Lutheran or Angl
ican, etc Eucharist., for that matter); only wheat.

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From: "Gustaaf Van Moorsel" <gvanmoor at aoc.nrao.edu>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2003.12.09 (07) [D/E]
Ron wrote:

> Ah!  It's _Oblate_ in German, "host" in English, namely edible paper
(made
> of wheat or rice), originally used during the Eucharist, now also used
as a
> foundation in secular baking.  I assume it is derived from Latin
_oblāta_,
> the feminine form of adjectival _oblātus_ (< _ob+lāt-_), describing it
as a
> flattened sphere, thus a flattened ball (of dough), also fitting as
> something that is offered (< _offerre_, as in English "oblate,"
"oblation,"
> etc.).

The Dutch cognate of 'host' would be 'hostie'.

A more secular use of ouwel is as base layer of certain cookies,
e.g. kokosmacronen.  These are flattened, soft, coconutflavored
cookies with a hole in the middle on a very thin layer of ouwel.

Gustaaf----------

From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
Subject: Etymology

Wim (above):

> ouwel is  what the Romans eat in church.

Not only ("Romans" =) Roman Catholics, Wim, but also some Protestants, such
as Anglicans/Epicopelians and Lutherans.

Philip (above):

> Rice can't be used for the Host in the Catholic Mass (or in Lutheran or
Anglican,
> etc Eucharist., for that matter); only wheat.

I suspected that, so thanks for confirming it.  However, rice-based versions
are nowadays found for non-church use (i.e., wafer bases for certain types
of baking).

Gustaaf (above):

> The Dutch cognate of 'host' would be 'hostie'.

Also the German one (_Hostie_ ['hOsti@]), but it has Roman Catholic
connotations and is not used in secular contexts.

> A more secular use of ouwel is as base layer of certain cookies,
> e.g. kokosmacronen.

Hmmm...  Don't tempt me!  They are -- alas -- off my diet list.  :-(

>  These are flattened, soft, coconutflavored
> cookies with a hole in the middle on a very thin layer of ouwel.

The German and Ashkenazi Jewish versions -- and, as far as I can tell, also
the American ones ("macaroons") -- don't have a hole in the middle and don't
need to be based on wafers; besides, they tend to contain genuine coconut
shavings, and one half of them is often dipped in chocolate ...  But this
leads us into "Delectables" ...

Regards,
Reinhard/Ron

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