LL-L "Language varieties" 2003.02.04 (14) [E]

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From: Chris Ferguson <shoogly at ntlworld.com>
Subject: LL-L "Orthography" 2003.02.04 (03) [E]

I feel I have to reply to this email - I do not know exactly what point this
person is getting at -but would like to point out that there is no language,
dialect or people known as "Scotch".  The language is called Scots. The
dialects of Scots are called Scots dialects The dialects of English spoken
here are called Scottish English dialects and the people are called Scots
with the adjective being Scottish. It intimates to me a deep
misunderstanding of anything Scottish to refer to "Scotch"

Chris Ferguson

> From: Andy (Scots-Online) <andy at scots-online.org>
> Subject: LL-L "Orthography" 2003.02.01 (02) [E]
>
> Sandy Fleming wrote:
> > Subject: "Orthography"
>
> > There has been a development (perhaps alarming, perhaps not nearly as
> > important as some people think) in the field of Scots orthography
lately,
> > namely, the Scottish dictionary people have been insisting on being the
> > authority on spelling. So far there have been no spelling guidelines
that
> I
> > can see, beyond a few hints that it'll be based on Central dialects and
> > pretty much like what you see in Scottish comics like 'The Broons'.
>
> I have the same impression from what I've seen so far. But then again what
> is wrong with using such an approach? We all know that certain naive
circles
> often speak of the 'Scots Language' but we know what is really meant is
the
> Scotch dialects of English. Such an approach only recognises and accepts
the
> established linguistic hierarchy. English is the norm and the Scotch
> dialects of English are a deviation from it. Central Scotch dialects being
> the most widely used in Scotland are thus the 'defacto' dialect standard.
> The written form will of course be sensibly based on the sound to letter
> correspondences of standard English in order to avoid falling victim to
the
> ridiculous notion that the Scotch dialects of English could somehow be
> treated as an independent linguistic system. Scotch can't be independent
> because English is the norm. Other Scotch dialects of English will
hopefully
> sensibly follow the lead set by the Central Scotch dialects of English and
> follow the sound to letter correspondences of standard English. The worst
> thing would be if some fool enthusiast started waffling on about
underlying
> phonemes and polyphonemic graphemes. We English speaking people experts
know
> well fine that your average Scotch will never be able to deal with such a
> concept. They need the guidance of a proper language with proper sound to
> letter correspondences like English- with which, we are of course, all
> extremly familiar.

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