LL-L "Morphology" 2003.02.23 (11) [E]

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From: Holger Weigelt <platt at holger-weigelt.de>
Subject: Morphology

> From: Theo Homan <theohoman at yahoo.com>
> Subject: LL-L "Pronouns" 2003.02.22 (05) [E/LS]
>
> > From: Holger Weigelt <platt at holger-weigelt.de>
> > Subject: Pronouns
> >
> > > From: Peter Meylof <p.meylof at planet.nl>
> > > Subject: Persoonlike veurnoamwoordn [LS]
> and others:
>
> I was waiting / hoping for something that isn't
> coming:
> the dualis [we-both / you-both].
>
> As far as I know lowl.ll. use the dualis only in some
> Frisian villages on the German coast: 'wat' [we-both]
> and 'jat' [you-both]. So I was informed some 25 years
> ago by 2 linguists who had their origins there.
>
> The dualis was regular [more or less] in Oldgermanic.
>
> Linguistically speaking the dualis is not something
> special; it is to be found the world round.
>
> But can you remember any traces of the dualis in your
> home-language?
> Are there any special ways to express we-both and
> you-both and they-both in your home-language?
> And would you ask your grandgrandmother about it?
>
> vr. gr.
> Theo Homan
>
Hello Theo !
>From Eastern Friesland Low Saxon there isn't known any special dual form to
express we-both or you-both. It is simply wī bâjd / jī bâjd or sometimes
wī/jī baident. If there has been a dual in Frisian once it hasn't had any
influence on EFLS.
Kind greetings
Holger

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From: Jan Strunk <strunkjan at hotmail.com>
Subject: LL-L "Morphology" 2003.02.23 (09) [E]

Hallo,

that's right. The "ink", "enk" second person plural object pronoun that is
also used as the normal polite form of addressing a single person comes
from the old dual. The nominative form also survived as
"it", "jit" or "git". As far as I know (and I am no native speaker)
German-style "Sei" as a polite form is quite uncommon in Westphalian.
People use "ji" or "it" more often.

Gued gaon!

Jan Strunk
strunk at linguistics.ruhr-uni-bochum.de

> From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Morphology
>
> Dan, thanks a lot for the response above.
>
> So then I assume that _enk_ and _Enk_ as second person plural and second
> person general polite pronouns in Westphalian Lowlands Saxon (Low German)
> are also derived from a dual form.  In the North Saxon dialects we have
_ji_
> and _Se_ instead (the latter being German-induced, replaced older _Ji_).
>
> Regards,
> Reinhard/Ron

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