LL-L "Names" 2003.02.25 (06) [E]

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From: Helge Tietz <helgetietz at yahoo.com>
Subject: LL-L "Names" 2003.02.25 (01) [E]

Fact is that the area to the East of Flensborg in
Slesvig-Holsten is still called "Angel", simply
meaning the land of the Angles, this is the area in
Jutland where the Angles origionated, most of this
Angles left their homeland in the 6th century and went
either to England or Saxonia-Anhalt/Thuringia, the
area was occupied by Danes and Swedes who retained the
name of the area, hence the area is still called
"Angel" (or in German "Angeln") to this day. I have
the impression that the name "Angles" is older than
Tacitus's descriptions but what the exaxt meaning is
is in dispute.

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From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
Subject: Names

Allison,

I have long been under the impression that the etymology of the name "Angel"
(> "Anglo-") is unknown.  An area in northernmost Germany, around
Flensborg/Flensburg and along the German-Danish border is still known as
_Angeln_.

If various reports can be trusted, there was confusion between "Angels" and
"angels" already in antiquity:

<quote>

(common era) with the arrival of the Roman missionary St Augustine on the
Isle of Thanet in Kent. The missionaries were sent

out on the orders of Pope Gregory, legend says that Pope Gregory, before
becoming Pope, noticed some fair-haired boys in a slave market in Rome, and
enquired where they were from. He was told that they were Angles and also
Heathen, to which (Pope) Gregory replied, "Non Angli, sed angeli", "Not
Angles but angels", and on becoming Pope he despatched the missionaries to
convert the Anglo-Saxons.

</quote>

http://www.englishheathenism.homestead.com/heathenheritage.html

<quote>

The following brief sample of Old English prose illustrates several of the
significant ways in which change has so transformed English that we must
look carefully to find points of resemblance between the language of the
tenth century and our own. It is taken from Aelfric's "Homily on St. Gregory
the Great" and concerns the famous story of how that pope came to send
missionaries to convert the Anglo-Saxons to Christianity after seeing
Anglo-Saxon boys for sale as slaves in Rome:

   Eft he axode, hu ðære ðeode nama wære þe hi of comon. Him wæs
   geandwyrd, þæt hi Angle genemnode wæron. Þa cwæð he, "Rihtlice
   hi sind Angle gehatene, for ðan ðe hi engla wlite habbað, and swilcum
   gedafenað þæt hi on heofonum engla geferan beon."

A few of these words will be recognized as identical in spelling with their
modern equivalents -- he, of, him, for, and, on -- and the resemblance of a
few others to familiar words may be guessed -- nama to name, comon to come,
wære to were, wæs to was -- but only those who have made a special study of
Old English will be able to read the passage with understanding. The sense
of it is as follows: "Again he [St. Gregory] asked what might be the name of
the people from which they came. It was answered to him that they were named
Angles. Then he said, 'Rightly are they called Angles because they have the
beauty of angels, and it is fitting that such as they should be angels'
companions in heaven.' "

</quote>

http://www.unifon.org/history-spelling.html

And what about the _Cimbri_ (German _Kimbern_) that at one time lived
from Jutland down to the Lower Elbe and later settled in the lands of the
Baltic-speaking Prussians?  They are oftentimes described as
"Celto-Germanic" or "Germano-Celtic" and also as remnants of the
European aboriginal (non-Indo-European?) population.  (I assume that
*most* Europeans are of mixed "aboriginal" and various Indo-European
descent.)  May I assume that there is a connection between those _Cimbri_
and the Welsh name of Welsh (_Cymraeg_) and Wales (_Cymru_)?

Regards,
Reinhard/Ron

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