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From: Roger Thijs, Euro-Support, Inc. <roger.thijs at euro-support.be>
Subject:  Resources, Old Dutch

I started something new and I would appreciate all feed back for seeing
whether or not this may raise some interest.

While my dialect pages (in a process of being moved to :
http://home-13.tiscali-business.nl/%7Etpm09245/lang/langbel.htm)
basically give written records of "spoken" language,
the written language in the area was rather some kind of Dutch.

So I started with an anthology of old written language, selecting other
stuff than the literature one finds in school anthologies:
http://home-13.tiscali-business.nl/%7Etpm09245/dutch/dutch.htm

This very week-end I worked out 3 pages:

- 1 -
http://home-13.tiscali-business.nl/%7Etpm09245/dutch/millen/millen.htm
gives the sentence of a witch trial in Millen (1573, South of Belgian
Limburg)

Some thoughts:

- we discussed “boel” quite some time ago in this list, we find it back in
our text “eynen _boel_ of vryer”

- Although the negation with “en” is thought to be West-Flemish, we find it
back in 1573 Limburg:

“dat sy nochtans nyemander eynichsins eynighen hynder of schade gedaen _en_
hedde”

“... nyet aennemen noch betalen _en_ wolde”

"Dat sy ... nyet geweest _en_ weer"

Some Limburgish verbs have there past participle without the prefix “ge-“.
“Brengen” is not in that list for my municipal variant. We find it back in
Millen though:

“... overbracht te werden”

“... aen ons bracht”

In names we also find the old genitive with “-en”

“Wyrick Voessen dochter”

Question: Does anybody in the list know when, in Old Dutch, the genitive was
formed with “–s” en when with” –en”?

A case with -s in the text: “tegen Lamyns wyngart”

- 2 -
http://home-13.tiscali-business.nl/%7Etpm09245/dutch/bullois/bullois.htm
gives a sample of Dutch used by the French republic in 1801.

The quality of this Dutch is better than the one of Belgian government
translations in the 19th century.

- 3 -
http://home-13.tiscali-business.nl/%7Etpm09245/dutch/thelen/thelen.htm
gives a sample of local literary Dutch of Tongeren (South of Belgian
Limburg) in 1888.

I’m just wondering why this little book has a dedication to the Lord Mayor
of London.

--

After all, these documents have some charm. Or not?

Regards,

Roger

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