LL-L "Lexicon" 2003.01.14 (02) [E]

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From: Howard Scott <alterego at rocler.qc.ca>
Subject: LL-L "Lexicon" 2002.11.11 (02) [E]

At 11:20 PM 10-11-2002 -0800, you wrote:

>From: j_thole at ftml.net <j_thole at ftml.net>
>Subject: LL-L "Lexicon" 2002.11.10 (05) [E]
>
>On Sun, 10 Nov 2002 08:17:17 -0800, "Lowlands-L" <admin at lowlands-l.net>
>said:
> > Regarding Helen's list of Estonian loanwords : Maybe "kampsun" was
> > derived
> > from "camisole" ?
> > In Dutch, "kamizool" used to denote some sort of a vest with sleeves (<
> > French "camisole" < Italian "camiciola" < "camicia" = "shirt" (E)).
> > Russian
> > has the word too by the way, since the 18th century "kamzol".
>
>Hello Luc and others,
>
>A Japanese friend wrote me that the correct word was "shanpen". He also
>had some other corrections to the original word list. I'll post those
>later. But I am unsure if "shanpen" evolved from kamizool. Strictly going
>by the sound of the word (I'm not a language expert at all) I would say
>that "campagne" or "kampen" would be better candidates.
>
>Regards,
>
>Johan Thole

My Japanese dictionaries say "shanpen" is "champagne," which is what I
would have expected. My big English-Japanese dictionary (Kenkyusha's) gives
"kyamisoru" or "kamisoru" for "camisole ("kyamisooru" or "kamisooru"
actually -- double length "o").

Regards,
Howard Scott

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