LL-L "Language policies" 2003.01.27 (02) [E]

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From: Chris Ferguson <shoogly at ntlworld.com>
Subject: scots language

continuing saga of the British Council and their representation ( or lack of
!! ) of Scots!!

Chris Ferguson
----- Original Message -----
From: <Davina.Shiell at britishcouncil.org>
To: <shoogly at ntlworld.com>
Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 3:59 PM
Subject: scots language

> Dear Crisdean
>
> Susan Leather, who you have been corresponding with about the scots
language
> issue on the British Council website, is off work and has asked me to
reply
> to your recent email to her.
>
> As this issue has only recently been raised, staff dealing with language
> assistants have not yet decided on the websites that will referred to.
Any
> advice on appropriate websites that you can give would be appreciated.
>
> many thanks.
> best wishes
>
> Davina Shiell
> Communications Manager
>
> British Council Scotland
> The Tun, 4 Jackson's Entry, Holyrood Road
> Edinburgh EH8 8PJ, Scotland, UK
>
> T +44(0)131 524 5717
> F +44(0)131 524 5701
> davina.shiell at britishcouncil.org
> Creating opportunity for people worldwide
> www.britishcouncil.org/scotland

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From: Andy (Scots-Online) <andy at scots-online.org>
Subject: LL-L "Language policies" 2003.01.26 (05) [E]

Colin Wilson wrote:
> Subject: LL-L "Language policies" 2003.01.22 (09) [E]
>
> At 22:17 22/01/03, Ian James Parsley wrote:
> >It is interesting that those who choose to make the
> >case for 'Ulster Scots' being a separate language from
> >'Scots' choose to do so behind people's backs at
> >closed meetings, rather than in public. This is
> >because in public the position is indefensible.
>
> However, it's worth pointing out that, in ratifying the European
> Charter for Regional or Minority Languages, the British government
> listed both Scots and Ulster Scots in its list of languages covered
> by the ratification. So as far as government is concerned, they're
> treated as being different languages, whether that's justified or not.
<snip>

The British government agreed to the following with the government of
Ireland establishing implementation bodies (For the Good Friday Agreement):

"Annex 2, DEFINITIONS, Part 5, Language
1.7 "Ullans" is to be understood as the variety of the Scots language
traditionally found in parts of Northern Ireland and Donegal. "Ulster-Scots
cultural issues" relate to the cultural traditions of the part of the
population of Northern Ireland and the border counties which is of Scottish
ancestry and the influence of their cultural traditions on others, both
within the island of Ireland and in the rest of the world."

Here it clearly states "the variety of the Scots language traditionally
found in parts of Northern Ireland and Donegal".

Andy Eagle

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