LL-L "Etymology" 2003.03.05 (07) [D/E]

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From: Stella en Henno <stellahenno at hetnet.nl>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2003.03.05 (02) [E]

> From: luc.hellinckx at pandora.be <luc.hellinckx at pandora.be>
> Subject: LL-L "Grammar" 2003.03.04 (09) [D/E/German]
>
> Beste liëglanners,
>
> When I read one of Stella en Henno's messages I came across the Frisian
word
> _ris_ which seemed to mean _eens_ (D). Is that so ?
Just Henno, please. My wife has nothing to do with my postings and doesn't
want to either... :)

And yes, "ris" means _eens_ (D)
The etymology is as follows: ris < "*ên rês", where "*rês" in the older
meaning "keer, maal" (D). cf Dutch reis. In Dutch the related word is the
old-fashioned "ereis" (=eens),
also in a contraction.

> If so, it's very likely a cognate of the Brabantish _res_ which means
_even_
> (D).
> e.g. Zet je even neer (D) ~ Zet a res nee (B)
> I've never been able to trace the etymology of this word though.
[snip]
> Luc Hellinckx

Hope this helped

Henno

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From: Ruud Harmsen <rh at rudhar.com>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2003.03.05 (02) [E]

07:26 5-3-2003 -0800, Lowlands-L:
luc.hellinckx at pandora.be <luc.hellinckx at pandora.be>:
>When I read one of Stella en Henno's messages I came across the
Frisian word
>_ris_ which seemed to mean _eens_ (D). Is that so ?
>If so, it's very likely a cognate of the Brabantish _res_ which
means _even_
>(D).
>e.g. Zet je even neer (D) ~ Zet a res nee (B)

Not only Brabantish, but colloquial Dutch in general. In fact, it is
a fast pronunciation of:
"Zet er eens neer" ==> "Zet er 's neer".

--
Ruud Harmsen  http://rudhar.com/ - update 3 maart 2003

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From: Gustaaf Van Moorsel <gvanmoor at aoc.nrao.edu>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2003.03.05 (02) [E]

Luc Hellinckx schreef:

> When I read one of Stella en Henno's messages I came across the Frisian
word
> _ris_ which seemed to mean _eens_ (D). Is that so ?
> If so, it's very likely a cognate of the Brabantish _res_ which means
_even_
> (D).
> e.g. Zet je even neer (D) ~ Zet a res nee (B)
> I've never been able to trace the etymology of this word though.

Lijkt me hetzelfde als ouderwets Nederlands 'ereis', waarvan
ik altijd heb gedacht dat het een samentrekking was van 'er'
en 'eens', zoals in het bekende rijmpje:

Daar was ereis een vrouw,
die koeken bakken zou.
Het meel dat wou niet rijzen,
de pan viel om,
de koeken waren krom
en de man heet Jan van Gijzen

Gustaaf

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