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From: Global Moose Translations <globalmoose at t-online.de>
Subject: LL-L "Names" 2003.03.13 (04) [E/LS]

Fiete and Ron,

as to using LG versus UG placenames: I think there is a difference between
places nearby and a little further away. Growing up, I have found that
villages in the immediate neighbourhood often get called by their "Platt"
names - as they probably have been for generations. It's a bit of a "family"
thing; distant towns, like distant relatives, get addressed more formally
than neighbouring villages and annoying little brothers.

I went to school in the (in)famous Southern Lower Saxon of Hameln (Hamelin
of Pied Piper Fame) for several years. The local newspaper had a Lower
German column every day, and many people from the surrounding villages,
including some "bilingual" girls in my class, still spoke Platt. There are
two villages very close to Hameln, Klein-Berkel and Groß-Berkel. I've never
heard them called by their German names in Platt; it was always "Grauten
Barkel" and "Lüttjen Barkel".

Cheers,
Gabriele

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From: Friedrich-Wilhelm Neumann <Friedrich-Wilhelm.Neumann at epost.de>
Subject: LL-L: "Names" 2003. 13, 03 (01) (LS)

Leeve Reynhard,

Du schreevst:

From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
Subject: Names

Fiete:
"Dul"?! Wourüm nich? Tjer, dat bün ik den wul, wen dat "up d'n planeet Eyrd'
leven" bedüyt, un daar höyr ik sachs tou the meyrhait. Ik dach, düt is dat
jaar 2003 (veyr jaar na dat offytschelle gellenlaten vun "Niederdeutsch" in
dey acht Noorddüytschen länner un in dey EU). Ik dach ook, dey minschen
verstaat middewyl, wat dat bedüydt: "devide and conquer" ("divide et impera"
vör Ju Latynschen), un dat in düsse val "conquer" ("impera") dat sülve as
"doud maken" bedüyden dayt.

Kumpelmenten,

Reinhard/Ron

*****

Ladies and Gentlemen, all of You,

my experiences  being engaged at LL-L for more than one year did make me
sure in daring to write as following.

I think here may  be one of the very best places  to demand: let's have an
"open" word, as far as the actualities are concerned.

For some years I had been officer in the (Western-) German navy, in my
younger times, far away from "German Angst". By no means- nearly every day
eye in eye with the Navy of the GDR (German Democratic Republic), of Poland
and Russia. We always knew  that in case of war our possible time of
survival was only about three days in the region of the Baltic Sea.
We did not really mind about that, because we were young,  willing and
(un)able to fight, to defend our "BRD" (West Germany), the "western
standards of human values" against any bolshevistic aggressors. We had been
confirmed, we were sure to do the absolutely right thing, and it was (and
still is) written down in our "bill of rights". We JUST WERE ALLOWED TO
DEFEND OURSELVES or any NATO-member against any aggression from outsides.

Wasn't it a good convincement, to be soldier on the correct side? Being
prepared to die, perhaps in very cold water, perhaps being wounded with loss
of sight, of any limb, even loss of ratio, ability to feel, to think, to be
"conscience"? It really was! Of course- there were no doubts at all, we
(young people) felt a very good opportunity to prove the change of the
past-nazi Germany!

Every soldier will make thoughts about things like that, because it is his
job, he thinks about his duties.
But- what about those innocent, not fighting victims bound to make the same
experiences in a war? Children on the first?

Don't think about me to be a dreaming pacifist, or having been infected by
any (local) disease!

I am convinced that we have to cut out all tyrranic diseases, that we even
have to be cruel sometimes, cruel against our own feelings, perhaps cruel
against our real enemies and even cruel against their wifes and children.
But- just let us be cruel when we are forced to be, forced to fight, not one
moment earlier!
Before becoming cruel we have to do everything to solve problems in a
peaceful manner.

 We should NEVER forget what we, most of us in our democratic countries and
social surroundings, did live for after WW II: human rights!

I do not feel engaged to do any conclusion for or against  any nation, or
against any politician being convinced in his duties.

At this very moment I fear, living in that, our "western world" , on a
loser's side!

Very friendly regards

Fiete.

(Friedrich W. Neumann)

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"SOMETHING WICKED THIS WAY COMES..."
"Iced Earth" (originally W.S., Macbeth)

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