LL-L "Phonology" 2003.05.02 (06) [E]

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From: Stan Levinson <stlev99 at yahoo.com>
Subject: LL-L "Phonology" 2003.05.02 (04) [E]

Ron,
I'm not an expert in Chinese, but a dabbler.  I'm not
familiar with the Pinyin "j" being pronounced as "dz".
 That does happen with "zh".  I'm afraid I don't know
the correct technical phonological terms, but "j"
tends to be made with the tongue contacting the lower
teeth, while "zh" is is up on the palate.  This sound
is realized as "dz" in virtually all non-northern
versions of Chinese.  All the palatals (?) are
realized as fricatives (?): (in pinyin spelling) zh>z,
ch>c (i.e. "ts"), sh>s.
Also, re Arabic "j", in Levantine Arabic it is, I'm
pretty sure, pronounced "zh" like the "s" in
"measure", whereas "j" is Standard and "g" is
Egyptian.
By the way, "Bay-zhing" bothers the heck out of me,
too.
Stan

> From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Phonology

> The first time I noticed it -- quite a few years ago
> -- was in the
> Mandarin name _Beijing_ (for what used to be called
> "Peking"), which has
> come to be pronounced "bay-zhing" (with main stress
> on the second
> syllable, but let's not talk about stress here in
> the case of transfer
> from a tonal language).  What in Pinyin Romanization
> is written as <j>
> is an alveodental affricate (in some dialects [dz]).
>  The closest
...  Arabic has the
> affricate "j" sound
> (corresponding to "g" in Egyptian Arabic and also in
> Hebrew); it has no
> "z<caron>" sound.  However, "z<caron>" is almost
regularly used in

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