LL-L "Etymology" 2003.11.03 (02) [E/F]

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From: Wim <wkv at home.nl>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2003.11.02 (05) [E]

>>From wkv at home.nl

Hi,

About bad in english and farsi...   how about  a connection  with  boud
( dutch)  and  bold  (english and  low sakson)?

wim [Verdoelt]

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From: Stella en Henno <stellahenno at hetnet.nl>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2003.11.02 (05) [E]

> From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Etymology
>
> Dear Lowlanders,
>
> In my opinion, one of the etymologically most mysterious words in the
> Anglo-Saxon language varieties is "bad" (Scots _bad_ ~ _baud_).  I can
think
> of no cognates in other Germanic varieties, nor of any French or Latin
words
> that may have given rise to it.  Dictionaries are somewhat vague and
> tentative about it.

It Sealtersk hat it wurd wol hân, as wy in boek út it begjin fan 'e 19'e ieu
fan Hoche
("Reise durch Osnabrück und Niedermünster in das Saterland, Ostfriesland und
Gröningen" , Bremen, 1800) leauwe meie: hy beskriuwt as earste de taal fan
Sealterlân, en neamt ek in pear opfallende wurden, dêr't ek it wurd "bad"
(="schlecht") by is.Tsjintwurdich komt it net mear foar, neffens alle
boarnen. It soe dus Anglo-Frysk wêze kinne.

> The most frequently suggested etymology is a derivation from Old English
> _bæddel_ or _bædling_ 'hermaphrodite' > 'effeminate male'.  Partridge
> prefers the hypothesis of "bad" being derived from Celtic *_bad(t)os_
"(well
> attested in derivatives)" > *_bad_ 'wide open' ("'wide open (to all
> influence, esp the worst)'"), "(cf the LL [= Late Latin] _bassus_, squat,
> short, low)".  (Am I the only one who has difficulties connecting 'wide
open
> ' with 'low'?)
>
> Certainly, suspecting "bad" of having a Celtic source seems reasonable,
> given that there appear to be no cognates in related languages of
> Continental Europe.
>
Dit kin dus noch tafalle...

> This may see like quite a leap, but I am wondering about Modern Persian
> (Farsi) _bad_, Tajik _bad_, Wakhi _bað_, Sarikoli _bað_, Pahlavi _wad_,
> Kurdish _bed_ 'bad' (with variants in other Iranian varieties).
> Indo-European connection or simply coincidence?
>
> Regards,
> Reinhard/Ron

Henno [Brandsma]

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