LL-L "Names" 2003.11.10 (01) [E]

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From: Thomas byro <thbyro at earthlink.net>
Subject: LL-L "Names" 2003.11.09 (04) [Ap/E]

Ron

Somewhere I have a paperback published by the Walter deGruyter Company (
their Sammlung Goeschen series) that stated that von Bismarck, as part of
his Kulturkampf, actually threw lowlanders in jail for refusing to change
the spelling of their family names from, for example, Moeller to Mueller.
I'm sure that he had equally strong opinions on non-German given names as
well.

Tom Byro

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From: sam claire <samclaire at mybluelight.com>
Subject: LL-L

RON, ET AL: The lists are too lengthy for me not to attach them. Sam

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From: Theo Homan <theohoman at yahoo.com>
Subject: LL-L "Names" 2003.11.09 (07) [E]

> Other differences between writing and pronounciation
> are mostly due to the
> German based orthography (examples: Jan / Jân;
> Antje / Āntje [a:Ic@]; Gretje
> / Gräitje; Gertje / Gitje, Berendina / Bendīna
> etc.).
> Kind regards
> Holger
>
> ----------
> By the way, those spoken versions seem to be along
> the lines of English
> "Peter" = "Pete," "James" = "Jim," "Margaret" =
> "Mag," "Kimberly" = "Kim,"
> etc., and Lowlands Saxon (Low German) "Johannes" >
> "Jehannes" = "Jan" and
> "Kathrin" = "Trien" (~ "Trine").
>
> Cheers!
> Reinhard/Ron

Hello to all people with names,

Perhaps a very little bit offtopic, but it is about
names. About my name.
My name is Theo, and my father was called Theo.
My mother told me -several times- that she was
surprised when she learned to know my father [in de
Korteleidsedwarsstraat in Amsterdam] that my father
was called 'Dirk' by his parents, sisters, brothers
and grandparents, and all other family.
Well, I didn't need much time to have my theory about
this:
'Theo' and 'Dirk' both have their roots in 'Theoderik'
[or whatever spelling].
When christianised -you know how long ago- and
baptised, Theoderik / Dirk was changed in 'Theodorus'
and being right -of course- for 1500 years the
call-name 'Dirk' had survived. Amazing, isn't it?

Later I found some evidence about this, but I forgot
what publication it was. It was about a man called
'Dirk', althouhg the author didn't understand this at
all, because this man's name was Theodorus, and this
man lived in the 18th century {!} on a farm in
Noord-Holland. [Noord-Holland is the province north of
Amsterdam].

Well, what's in a name? But there is something in my
name.

vr.gr.
Theo/Dirk Homan

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From: Mathieu van Woerkom <mathieu.vanwoerkom at student.kun.nl>
Subject: Names

Ron wrote:

> I think it would be nice if we compiled, as a concerted effort, a small
> comparative list of traditional Lowlandic "first" (given) names. Comparing
> names from language variety to language variety is (1) fairly interesting
> regarding sound shifts and abbreviation tendencies, and (2) "our public"
> likes things of this sort. Who knows? Perhaps it will cause some parents
> to give their new offspring Scots, Zeelandic, Limburgish, Lowlands Saxon
> (Low German), Appalachian and other variants of names.

I think this is a great idea, I think many people will like this idea. For
instance, the Fryske Akademie has already published such a list with Frisian
names, and Veldeke has done the same for Limburgish:
http://www.veldeke.net/StandaardSjabloon/1032667881/displayPage. This last
link also solves the problem that Holger has: the list shows the original
names from the bible and in the second collumn all possible (written)
variants.

regards,
Mathieu

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From: Críostóir Ó Ciardha <paada_please at yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: LL-L "Names" 2003.11.09 (03) [E]


Ron,

You wrote:
"I'm not aware of any area or region being called "Low Germany" or variants
thereof, though some German scholars occasionally refer to Northern Germany
as _Niederdeutschland_ within linguistic and cultural contexts."

I suppose this begs the question: has there ever been any political
separatist movement based around Low Saxon in recent times? I realise that
Low Saxon political independence was a defining feature of the Hansa, but
what about a Low Saxon 'nationalism'?

Go raibh maith agat

Criostóir.

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