LL-L "History" 2003.11.19 (01) [D/E]

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From: RVZSTERN at aol.com <RVZSTERN at aol.com>
Subject: LL-L "History" 2003.11.18 (01) [D/E]

That makes sense as the Fires language has been traced along the coast of
Belgium until Duncerque ( Duinkerken).Roeliena Van Zanten

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From: R. F. Hahn <lowlands-l at lowlands-l.net>
Subject: History

Roeliena,

In order to let others, especially newcomers, know what you responded to
above, I will post Roger's original announcement again below.

For those of you who do not read Dutch let me just summarize that
archeological finds in Zele near Dendermonde reportedly prove 3rd-century
Frisian presence in Eastern Flanders, giving rise to the hypothesis that
groups of Frisians escaped their wet homeland for the drier southern inland.

I totally agree with Roger in asking what specifically points to Frisians
rather than to Franconians.  I add Saxons to this, given that Saxons are
known to have colonized parts of what are now the Belgian and French coasts
and may have well spread to what is now Eastern Flanders by way of land
either from the coast or from what are now the eastern parts of the
Netherlands and the northern parts of Germany.  What made those finds
specifically Frisian?

Reinhard/Ron

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From: Roger Thijs, Euro-Support, Inc. <roger.thijs at euro-support.be>
Subject: History

Read today in the newsletter "Nieuwsbrief Het Belang van Limburg" (in Dutch)

Subject: Frisian presence in East-Flanders in the 3th century.:

-- quote (pasted)
Archeologen vinden in Zele resten van eerste Germaanse "immigranten"
In Zele bij Dendermonde hebben archeologen resten gevonden die erop wijzen
dat in de 3de eeuw na Christus in het huidige Vlaanderen ook Friezen hebben
gewoond. Wat vandaag Vlaanderen heet, stond toen onder Romeins gezag, maar
Germaanse stammen zouden het gauw onder de voet lopen.
De resten werden aangetroffen in een oude afvalput van een Romeinse
nederzetting.
De vondsten bewijzen dat Friezen in de tweede helft van de derde eeuw, na
zelf verdreven te zijn uit hun woongebied aan de Noordzeekust, hun toevlucht
hebben gezocht in Vlaams Scheldegebied. "De Friezen zijn vertrokken uit hun
woongebied omdat het er te nat werd", zegt De Clercq. "In feite waren het
een soort economische vluchtelingen. En ze hebben zich nadien honderden
kilometers verder, bij ons dus, gevestigd".
-- end quote

It's not clear to me from this text on what ground they identified what they
found as Frisian, rather than Franconian.

Regards,

Roger

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