LL-L "History" 2003.10.27 (03) [E]

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From: Peter Snepvangers <snepvangers at optushome.com.au>
Subject: History

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From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
Subject: History

Theo (Homan):
Sorry to interrupt. But how do you know? Any archaeological findings in this
region?

Apparently this is passed-down information beginning with Roman sources.
That Saxons harrassed the coast of Gaul about the same time or beginning
even a little before they harrassed the coast of Britain is considered well
established.  The claim that they settled in Gaul is still being debated.

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Ron and Theo,
I did a search on the Roman Britain web site for Saxon Shore Forts to
assist.

http://www.roman-britain.org/places/portus_lemanis.htm

http://www.roman-britain.org/places/anderitum.htm

http://www.roman-britain.org/places/rutupiae.htm

http://www.roman-britain.org/places/branodunum.htm

http://www.roman-britain.org/places/portus_ardaoni.htm

http://www.roman-britain.org/places/othona.htm

http://www.roman-britain.org/places/regulbium.htm

http://www.roman-britain.org/places/portus_dubris.htm

http://www.roman-britain.org/notitia.htm

http://www.roman-britain.org/places/gariannum.htm

Tot Ziens
Peter Snepvangers

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From: Frédéric Baert <baert_frederic at CARAMAIL.COM>
Subject: LL-L "History" 2003.10.24 (04) [E]

On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 08:01:10 -0700, Lowlands-L <lowlands-l at lowlands-l.net>
wrote:

>> From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
>> Subject: Etymology
>[...]
>> Also, remember that much or most of the coast of
>> what are now the
>> Netherlands and Belgium used to be Frisian-speaking.
>>
>[...]
>
>Hi,
>
>Sorry to interrupt. But how do you know? Any
>archaeological findings in this region?
>The only thing we know is the Roman who wrote that at
>the coast 'Frissi' were living.
>
>{And who are the 'Fresani' a Roman spoke about?}
>
>vr.gr.
>Theo Homan
>
>----------

Hi,
The paragraph of Ron about Saxons'history was great and quite
demonstrative. I think linguistic can also be used to show that Saxons and
Frisons were established at least in the actual North of France and in
Belgium (ancient Belgish Gaul, "Gaule Belgique" in French,I don't remember
the latine term.).
Indeed, Saxon and Frisian features are numerous in West-flemish. I can
speak for the tale I know : west flemish of France.
We have numerous saxon features like:
- Numerous plural forms in -s in place of -en like "kats" ("Cats")
- Past participle in e- instead of ge- like "ebroken" ("broken")
And also numerous frisian features even in France like:
-(n)uus instead of ons (english "us")
- umlaut of "u" : pit instead of put etc...
But the number of frisian features is less important than in Belgium.
For more information, see :
http://home-13.tiscali-business.nl/%7Etpm09245/lang/lg/wv/wvuits2.htm

Best regards
Vrederyk Baert

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