LL-L "Names" 2003.09.17 (07) [E]

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From: Szelog, Mike <Mike.Szelog at CITIZENSBANK.com>
Subject: LL-L "Names" 2003.09.17 (03) [E]

No, it's actually Tuesday that's names after him - Tiw's Day - Tiw was, I
believe, the Germanic equivalent of the Roman god Mars.

Mike S

Theo Homan wrote:

Goeidag Ben,

*TUIZ is one of the reconstructed forms of an
Indo-European name of which e.g. Greec and Latin got
the form Zeus and Deus, presumably their highest gods.

In Germanic this name is commonly known in a
Scandinavian form of some later time: Tyr.
Your 'Thirsday' is named after him. Blessed be his
name.

vr.gr.
Theo Homan

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From: niels winther [niels.winther at dfds.dk]
Subject: Names

    Fiete wrote:

> About two years ago I spent some vacation days at Ringköbing Fjord..

> Near there I saw a village or district called "Lönbörger Hejde" ...

> It's a kind of landscape really reminding to a very famous region
> in Northern Germany called "Lüneburger Heide".

> I don't believe this correspondence  to be an accidental fact.

> Did the people there  name it this way for touristical purposes,
> or is there any different, perhaps older relation?

There might be an older relation. ´
What does Lüneburg actually mean?

The name Lønborg (or Løneborg) is for certain from before the tourist era.

It was a bishop residence in the middle ages.

Lønborg figures in several old placenames besides Lønborg Hede:

Lønborg Kirke (church) ca 1100
Lønborg Sogn  (parish)
Lønborg Å     (river:Skjern Å)
Lønborg Birk  (judicial district)

 cheers
 niels

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From: R. F. Hahn <lowlands-l at lowlands-l.net>
Subject: Names

Hi, Niels!  Good to hear from you.  Long time no hear.

> What does Lüneburg actually mean?

I don't know the origin of the name _Lüne_, but I can tell you that ...

(1) it is the older name of the place (_Burg_ 'fortress' > 'city' having
been added later),

(2) the older, pre-German, Lowlands Saxon (Low German) name is _Löne_ >
_Löön_ (actually _löyn(e)_ with a diphthong), and the extended LS name is
_Löönborg_, is thus very similar to the Danish version.

The famous convent of the area is called Kloster Lüne (without the _...burg_
part); it's very well worth a visit, by the way
(http://www.kloster-luene.de/).

As a child I used to assume that the city got its name from a river called
Lüne (i.e., that the name followed a common pattern).  But the is not so,
apparently.  The river that runs through this very lovely city (also very
much worth a visit) is called Ilmenau.

I wouldn't be too surprised if the name Lüne is Slavonic by origin.  Besides
Lusatia (which is still Slavonic-speaking), the general area was one of the
last that hung on to its Slavonic language in Germany, specifically to
Draveno-Polabian.  (The last speaker died in the very end of the 18th
century.)  The area thus used to be trilingual: Polabian, Saxon and,
encroached later, German.  The Polabian language of the region shows signs
of very strong Saxon influence, not only lexical but also phonological (with
umlauting!), and the LS dialects of the region took on Slavonic influences.

Regards,
Reinhard/Ron

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