LL-L "Names" 2003.09.19 (10) [E]

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From: Szelog, Mike <Mike.Szelog at CITIZENSBANK.com>
Subject: LL-L "Orthography" 2003.09.19 (01) [E]

Gabriele wrote:

"I come from a small village in southern Lower Saxony (which is, by the way,
famous for its pottery and has been home to a colony of artists for
decades). It is called Fredelsloh. In school I learned that the ending
"-loh" means that instead of chopping down trees and digging out stumps, the
wooded area where the village was built was cleared by fire ("Lohe" is an
old German word for "flames")."

Yes, that's right - related to the Swedish word "log" - A friend of mine in
High School was of Swedish descent and her last name was "Logdahl" -
"Firedale" - perhaps a dale cleared by fire to the woods (either man-made or
a natural occurrence) after which a village was founded.

Mike S
Manchester, NH - USA

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From: John Duckworth <jcduckworth2003 at yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: "Names"

Niels asked: "What does Lüneburg actually mean?"

There has been quite a lot of discussion during the last few days on the
etymology of the name Lüneburg and the Lüneburger Heide. Both Germanic and
Slavonic origins have been proposed, but I am surprised that no-one
considered a Celtic origin. There is a Celtic root *lindo-, meaning 'a
pool', and a cognate Welsh word llyn, meaning 'a lake' (and used in place
names).Surely it would not be stretching the imagination to propose a Celtic
origin in the area of Lüneburg?

Another curious 'coincidence' also occurs to me. On its own it would be a
ridiculous etymology, but if someone were to suggest possible European
cognates it might make sense. I am referring to the Panjabi word _lun_ (with
long _u_), which means 'salt'. As far as I remember salt is the most
important commodity in the Lüneburg area. Panjabi is, of course, an
Indo-European language, but I can't offhand think of a cognate even in the
neighbouring Indian languages, let alone in Europe.

On the whole though I prefer to derive the name from Celtic or to accept the
Germanic suggestions already made. I can't think of any Slavonic etymology
that fits the bill.

John

Preston, UK

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From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
Subject: Names

John (above):

> I am referring to the Panjabi word _lun_ (with long _u_), which means
'salt'. As far as I
> remember salt is the most important commodity in the Lüneburg area.
Panjabi is, of course, an > Indo-European language, but I can't offhand
think of a cognate even in the neighbouring
> Indian languages, let alone in Europe.

Perhaps *_lū+n_, where *_lū_ (< *_lūgh-_?) may be related to Old English
_lēaƽ_ >  _lēah_ > "lye", Middle Dutch _loghe_ > Mod. Dutch _loog_ (Mod. LS
_louge_ > _loug'_) 'lye', Old German _louga_ > Mod. German _Lauge_ 'lye',
Old Norse _laug_ 'bath' < Germanic *_laugâ_ < *_lau-_ 'to wash' (cf. Romance
*_lav-_); also related to Old English _lēaðor_ > "lather", Old Saxon
_læthar_ (cf. Greek _λοετ ρόν_ ~ _λουτ ρόν_, Old Irish _loathar_
'washbasin')?



Regards,
Reinhard/Ron


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