LL-L "Language survival" 2004.04.01 (01) [E]

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From: David Pattyn <david.pattyn at t-online.de>
Subject: LL-L "Language survival" 2004.04.02 (04) [E]

> From: denis dujardin <dujardin at pandora.be>
> Subject: LL-L "Language survival" 2004.04.02 (01) [E]
>
> Frederic,
> I still wonder why, this language identity hasn't been on a higher level
of
> conscience in French-Flanders.
> I know, people were punished when they spoke flemish on the playground of
> their
> school.
> This historical fact of course is a shame. It was clearly an intentional
> strategy of wiping out this regional language which was a remnant of 17th
> century conquering by the French of this historical VERY flemish area.
> People
> must have been so influenced by the system of power and its
> language-errasing
> strategy, that even nowadays, they feel a bit ashamed of speaking it.
> But the idea that nowadays, most of the people in that area aren't aware
of
> this history , I find a very sad story.
> Their history and origin is definitely Flemish. Toponymy, Familynames,
> Landscape typology and so on: they are highly and allmost completely
> flemish.
> Why for godsake, people remain so unknowledgable about their history?
> It is without doubt that this French-making strategy has succesfully
reached
> its goal.
> Of course second world war was also of an importance influence.
> As in Belgian Flanders, Flemish was associated with the German invader....
> Whereas in the Walloon part the collaboration was as important as in
> Flanders.....
>
> denis dujardin
> kortrijk
> westflanders.
>

Hey Denis,

in the matter of South-Flanders (French-Flanders) one does not may forget
that because of the french general Foch in WW I especialy flemish soldiers
were send to
the dangeroused places at the front.
And it may be so that many South-Flemings do not speak Flemish enymore,
but they do are aware of their flemish Identity, even more as the Flemings
in belgium Flanders.
This is quite good to see when you are in South-Flanders. And that may give
hope that they
try to learn their mothertongue again.
But I fear also for the flemish in belgium Flanders. When I went to school
in Wevelgem (W-Vlaanderen)
we had to speak ABN (Algemeen "Beschaafd" Nederlands). The teachers saw it
as an act ofimpoliteness
to speak out mothertongue. And if a hear now the youth in W-Vlaanderen they
speak more AN (now it is
called "Algemeen Nederlands") as that they speak West-Flemish.
The second war has not much to do that flemish is associated with the german
invader.
There has always been a strong antipathy for flemish by the french and
belgian gouvernement.
Even now litle or nothing has changed. Still they try to wipe out the
flemish Identity,
it is just a bit harder now because they have to support their actions with
democratic rules,
and people now a days are better educated and they cannot so easely be
fooled around with
as in the past. But then again, there are other tricks to fool the people in
a "democratic" state.

David Pattyn
Soest
Nordrhein-Westfalen

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From: R. F. Hahn <lowlands-l at lowlands-l.net>
Subject: Language survival

Hi, David!

Welcome to Lowlands-L and its vocal minority!

Regards,
Reinhard "Ron" F. Hahn
Founder & Administrator, Lowlands-L
lowlands-l at lowlands-l.net
http://www.lowlands-l.net

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