LL-L "Afrikaans" 2004.04.16 (01) [A/E]

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From: Global Moose Translations <globalmoose at t-online.de>
Subject: LL-L "Afrikaans" 2004.04.15 (07) [A/E]

Elsie Zinser wrote:

> (kleurling, Ron] or black. I don't understand the importance of focusing
on
> race when we talk language diversity and survival. This line of thought
> simply perpetuates an old European mindset.

Well, Elsie, I am totally fascinated with the whole concept (the way one is
fascinated with a train wreck), if not to say flabbergasted. I had no idea
the system was that complicated, and that so many distinctions are still
made today.

Gabriele Kahn

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From: Liza du Plooy <lizaduplooy at yahoo.com>
Subject: LL-L "Afrikaans" 2004.04.15 (07) [A/E]]


Ron you wrote:
"> As you'll see there is no black! I guess they got lumped with "Other
Coloured"?

Isn't that because under apartheid "blacks" were not supposed to be citizens
of South Africa, were officially "guest workers" who were citizens of their
"homelands" ("Bantustans": Transkei, KwaZulu, Bophuthatswana, Ciskei, Venda,
Lebowa, Kangwane, Gazankulu, Qwaqwa, KwaNdebele ) to which they where
assigned on the basis of ethnicity?"

I really have no idea! I was still in Primary school when apartheid ended
(thank goodness). Loads of things the old government did made very little
sense, I think we can agree! I am thankfull that I missed having most of my
schooling under the strict old government. I doubt that the would have let
us do  great Coloured and Griekwa poems in Afrikaans class, like this one by
Adam Small:

Die Here het Gaskommel



Lat die wêreld ma’ praat pêllie los en vas

‘n sigaretjie en ’n kannetjie Oem Tas

en dis allright pêllie dis allright

ons kannie worry nie



‘n sigaretjie en ‘n kannetjie Oem Tas

en ‘n lekker meid en lekker anner dinge

oe!

lat die wêreld ma’ praat pêllie los en vas

wat daarvan

wat daarvan

wat maak dit saak

soes die Engelsman sê it cuts no ice

die Here het gaskommel

en die dice het verkeerd gaval vi’ ons

daai’s maar al



so lat hulle ma’ sê skollie pêllie

nevermind

daar’s mos kinners van Gam en daar’s kinners van Kain

so dis allright

ons moenie worry nie

As it is though, this was one of the poems we did in Matric. It opened a
whole new world of possibilities in Afrikaans to me :)

Liza

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From: Críostóir Ó Ciardha <paada_please at yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: LL-L "Afrikaans" 2004.04.15 (07) [A/E]

Elsie wrote:
"For the 2001 Census, the Council has reported an underestimate of
the white population. The population figures presented were 3,99 million
'coloured' people and 4,29 million 'white' people. I based my assumption of
more white than coloured speakers on 2 previous Census counts."

We should also factor in the recent (well, mid- to late-1990s) controversy
over the under-reporting of white emigration from SA. At least 120,000 South
Africans live in the UK, at least 65,000 in Australia, about 5,000 in
Ireland, and unknown numbers (to me at least) in New Zealand, Canada and the
United States. Most of these would be White or Coloured and, from personal
experience of the South African community in Western Australia, I'd say at
least a third to forty percent of these would in turn be Afrikaans first
language speakers or bilinguals.

According to the 2001 Australian census, 9.2 percent of South Africans in
Australia used Afrikaans as a home language and 0.4 percent used German
(86.5 percent used English). However, there is a definite over-reporting of
English home language use due to a desire to "fit in" to Australian society
which is perceived to be monoglot Anglophone. This is less the case with
emigrant white Afrikaners (Boere, if you like) but certainly true of
Afrikaans-speaking Coloureds.

Go raibh maith agat

Criostóir.

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