LL-L "Lexicon" 2004.04.21 (02) [E]

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From: Roger Hondshoven <roger.hondshoven at pandora.be>
Subject: LL-L "Lexicon" 2004.04.20 (09) [E]


Hello Elsie,

In Dutch "stoep" is also used in the meaning of British "pavement", American
"sidewalk". Next to stoep the French word trottoir is also used in that
sense.
Afrikaans hurk is of course the same as Dutch hurken. In some Flemish
dialects the form hukken (noun!) is used in the expression "op zijn hukken
zitten".

Beste groeten,

Roger

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From: Pat Reynolds <pat at caerlas.demon.co.uk>
Subject: LL-L "Lexicon" 2004.04.20 (04) [E]

Dear All,

Thanks for your contributions.  The Afrikaans/Dutch stoep is indeed the
same word as the American English stoop. The word has been used for
various local variants of an architectural feature with the common
elements that it lies before a door, and has a flat element and steps up
to that flat surface.  In one form or other, they are found on buildings
associated with settlers with connections to the Low Countries across
the world.  What I find intersecting is that when tourist guides,
architectural historians and so on are describing what makes a building
'Dutch', in South Africa, they tend not to mention the stoep.  I am not
sure yet how statistically significant this is, but feel it may be due
to the negative identification of the stoep in South Africa with a
particular kind of Afrikaner.

The other group of people accused of indolently sitting on stoops are
African Americans in northern US cities. There is also a vast literature
concerned with the social practice of sitting on stoops and their
cousins the veranda and the porch. For example, in some cultures, you
are 'invisible' on the stoop until you call out to a passing neighbour -
then he or she (and only he or she) can 'see' you and return the
greeting.

Best wishes to you all: may those in the south enjoy a nice autumn day
sitting on your stoops, while those in the north look forwards to a nice
spring day to sit on ours,

Pat
(who does not have a stoop - being in England, I have a deck - much less
street-sociable!).

--
Pat Reynolds
pat at caerlas.demon.co.uk
   "It might look a bit messy now,
                    but just you come back in 500 years time"
   (T. Pratchett)

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From: Críostóir Ó Ciardha <paada_please at yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: LL-L "Lexicon" 2004.04.20 (02) [E/LS]


Ron wrote:
"So, Críostóir, how about *"chamber stinker" for a start?"

"Chamber" is a little medieval. I will proselytise for "room reeker" though.

Go raibh maith agat

Criostóir.

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