LL-L "Syntax" 2004.04.21 (06) [E]

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From: Georg.Deutsch at esa.int <Georg.Deutsch at esa.int>
Subject: LL-L "Syntax" 2004.04.20 (01) [E/LS/German]

Good day!

Jan Strunk asked Low Saxon speakers about the common usage of constructions
including the formula
"Vadder unser" (our father), from, as I assume, the well-known Christian
prayer.

I am not one of the targeted Low Saxon speakers, however, I thought, maybe
it
is worthwhile to mention what of course Jan does know very well:
The standard German version of this prayer is starting with "Vater unser"
which would be in normal context (outside this religious context) considered
as a wrong construction in German.

I do not know whether this German version (created by Luther?) is reflecting
the Latin "Pater noster" or maybe even the Gothic (attar unsar) or has other
reasons.
Since the Dutch, Afrikaans and Frisian versions are closer to common speech
(onze vader / ons vader / us Heit), one could be tempted to think that the
Low Saxon "Vadder unser" might be built under German influence.
Is this the case?
On the other hand the Old Saxon  (Heliand) version also starts with: "Fadar
ûsa". Of course, I have no clue if this did reflect the then (1200 years or
so ago) normally used construction.

groeten

Georg Deutsch

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