LL-L "Etymology" 2004.08.22 (03) [E]

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From: Ruth & Mark Dreyer <mrdreyer at lantic.net>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2004.08.21 (05) [A/E]

Dear Patrick, Ron & All,

Subject: Etymology

> I think there is an isolated cognate:  wanton.  Both parts of this word
> > are interesting
>
> Yyesss: 'wan (without)' + 'teon (pull)'! Actually it makes sense, in a
> desparate kind of way.
>
> > Patrick mentions English "wanton" above.  Good one!  It's derived from
> > Middle English _wantowen_, i.e., from _towen_, the past participal form
of
> _
> > "to tee" (Old English _téon_), and the negative prefix _wan-_ (like
_un-_,
> > cf. Lowlands Saxon _wanschapen_ "un-shaped" = 'ugly', 'unsightly').  So
> > _wanton_ is the literal equivalent of German _ungezogen_ 'naughty',
'badly
> > behaved' < "badly raised."
>
> Apologies, Ron; you spotted that before me, & better.

I should have added, re 'wanton' the Afrikaans term 'onaantreklik -
(non-towards-pull-ish), exactly the same construction as 'unattractive' &
almost the same as 'wanton' though the first two mean something totally
different. The first two are a pretty poor basis for the second, i should
think.

Yrs sincerely,
Mark

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From: Stella en Henno <stellahenno at hetnet.nl>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2004.08.20 (07) [E]

> Mark, also above):
>
> > Without wishing to tread on toes, isn't this last, 'nickname', the
reverse
> > of the phenomenon you describe, from 'an eke name'?
>
> According to the etymological dictionaries I consulted, you are right,
Mark,
> and they say that this has been reinforced by "nick."
>
> I wonder, though ...  I had always assumed that the first part of
"nickname"
> is related to German _necken_ 'to tease', 'to taunt'.  I must have been
> wrong.
>
> The Lowlands Saxon (Low German) equivalent of "nickname" is _öykel-naam_
> (<Ökelnaam>).  This might support this "eke-name" ("add-name," "byname")
> theory.  As far as I know, in the modern dialects there is no verb
> *_öykeln_.  It looks like a frequentive (/-l-/) derivation of *_öyk-_,
which
> I assume is related to English "to eke."
>
> Regards,
> Reinhard/Ron
>
Yes, this is related to Dutch "ook", and West Frisian "ek" [=also, as well]
(< *eak < Old Frisian a:k < Old Germanic *auk-), and the Germanic root *auk,
with umlaut would give rise to your "öyk".
In Old English this would be *eek (with umlaut as well).
A Frisian cognate is "taheakje" (to add (not of numbers)) where heakje is a
folk etymological transformation of "eakje" (which occurs in older texts),
based on "heak" (= Dutch haak etc). Eakje comes from *a:kia, which meant to
add as well. Eg, a "taheakke" [tajEk@] can mean an attachment (of e-mail or
otherwise).

Regards

Henno Brandsma

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From: Kenneth Rohde Christiansen <kenneth.christiansen at gmail.com>
Subject:

Kaldenavn (with v) means 'calling name' - ie. that name that I am known as

Kenneth
--
Kenneth says he uses 'kaldenamn' in Dan.for 'nickname'. As I understand it
'kaldenamn' usually means 'Christian name' or 'given name'. So do other
Danes understand him? Sorry to leave Lowlands territory but a high
percentage of my Danish vocabulary is at stake.

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