LL-L "Etymology" 2004.07.19 (05) [E]

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From: Patrick or Cynthia Karl <pkarl at grasshoppernet.com>
Subject: Etymology

From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
Subject: Etymology

I take "to roar" to belong to a different group of apparently
onomatopoetically derived cognates: Old English _rārian_, Middle Saxon
_rāren_ ~ _rēren_ > Modern Saxon _raren_ ~ _reren_ (<rahren> ~ <rohren> ~
<rehren>), Middle Dutch _reeren_, Old German _rērēn_ > Middle German _rēren_
But note the etymology from the OED entry for the 2nd  instance of roar, n:
Forms: a. 5–6 roore, 5–7 rore. b. 6 roare.  [a. MDu. roer, = OS. hrôra (LG.
rôre, rôr), OHG. ruora (MHG. ruore, G. ruhr), related to OE. and OS. hrór
stirring, active: see also rore v. and cf. uproar. The rime of rore: pore (=
poor) in Chaucer proves that the word is different from roar n.1]

This seems semantically and phonetically to be a pretty good match to G.
ruehren.  I don't understand the OED's "G. ruhr" reference, unless it's to
the Ruhr Valley.  Do we know the etymology of that?

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From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
Subject: Etymology

Thanks, Patrick or Cynthia (whichever of you sent this).

> This seems semantically and phonetically to be a pretty good match to G.
ruehren.

Indeed!  Note also German _Aufruhr_, Dutch and Afrikaans _oproer_ and
Lowlands Saxon (Low German) _uprour_ (<Uprohr>) ~ _oprour_ (<Oprohr>)
'uproar', 'revolt', 'rebellion'.  So it's a "stirring up."

We might be dealing with coalescence in the case of English, the "roar" of
"uproar" alone being defunct ...

Thanks again.

Reinhard/Ron

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