LL-L "Etymology" 2004.07.28 (05) [E]

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From: Troy Sagrillo <meshwesh at bigfoot.com>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2004.07.28 (03) [E]

on 28.07.2004 5.59 PM,  R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>:

> Note also that Scots has _gairden_ for "garden," as well as _yaird_ for
both
> 'yard' and 'garden', also _kailyaird_ for 'kitchen garden' (lit. "cabbage
> yard" or "soup yard").

Scots also has _toun_ & _town_ for "an area of arable land on an estate,
occupied by a number of farmers as co-tenants; a farm with its buildings and
the immediate surrounding area" (Concise Scots Dict.). I vaugely remember in
the novel _Waverley_ by Walter Scott it is used in the sense of "garden", bu
it's been awhile since I read it, so it may have been in the sense of
"farm".

Peter Snepvangers wrote:

> Dutch - Tuin

I regularly hear "hof" in the Antwerpse Kempen, so it may be more generally
Brabants as well.

Cheers,

Troy

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From: Patrick or Cynthia Karl <pkarl at grasshoppernet.com>
Subject: Etymology


From: Peter Snepvangers <snepvangers at optushome.com.au>
Subject: Etymology


Hello Ron and Lowland folks,
I was wondering if you could help me understand about the origins of the
English word "Garden". I have noticed there are at least 3 variations used
by different languages with probably more variants used by these languages
that I am not aware of.
English - Garden
German - Garten
Limburgs 1 - Gaart
Dutch - Tuin
Afrikaans - Tuin
Frisian - Tun
Norwegian - Hage
Danish - Have
Limburgs 2 - Haof
Has the meaning of garden changed throughout history?The 3 variations all
have an English counterpart, not necessarily with the exact, but usually a
closely related meaning:  garden, town, hedge.  The OED says that an early
meaning of garden was "enclosed place".  The enclosure could be made either
from a fence or a hedge.  Town is closely related to the Celtic word for
"enclosed place", dunum, and to the German word for "fence", Zaun.  I think
other cognates of garden are Russian grad, gorod, Czech hrad, Latin hortus;
possibly French (and English) court.  (An especially interesting word in
this category is English orchard, originally (i.e., in OE) ort-yeard, where
the ort comes from or is related to Latin hortus, and the 2nd component is
identical with English yard.  So an orchard is a yard-yard.)

Note, too, if I'm not mistaken, the meaning of garden in England is what an
American might call a lawn or a yard (another cognate of garden), while in
the US it's a plot for growing vegetables, herbs, flowers.

I would say that rather than the meaning of garden changing throughout
history different cultures chose different aspects of the enclosure process
and named them with related words.

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