LL-L "False friends" 2004.06.11 (01) [E]

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From: Tom <jmaguire at pie.xtec.es>
Subject: LL-L "False friends" 2004.06.10 (09) [E]

> <>R. F. Hahn wrote:
>
> Anyway, this name has always puzzled me. "Hospital for *Sick* Children?"
> Is there one for healthy children as well? How about "Children's Hospital"
>
>>or "Pediatric Hospital" like elsewhere?  Or is there something I'm
>missing?
>
>>Might "hospital" once have had other meanings as well, such as that of
>>"hostel"?  Perhaps in Scots, transferred to Scottish English?

Hello All,

"Hospital" were originally places where guests were received, like
hospices, hostels and hotels. The word comes via Old French "hospital"
from the medieval Latin "hospitale" which was the noun form of
"hospitalis", an adjective meaning 'of a guest'. The semantic shift
belongs in the 15th. cent. where it began to mean a place for the infirm
and down-and-outs.
'Hospitality/hospitable' in modern English still have the original
meaning of 'receiving guests'.

As for Andy Eagle's remark about sick children, 'gruesome' is not an
appropriate description in my opinion. 'Poignant' or 'tragic' might be
words that spring to mind when thinking of the guests these hospitals
harbour.

Regards,

Tom

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From: Troy Sagrillo <meshwesh at bigfoot.com>
Subject: Sick vs. Ill

on 10.06.2004 10.28 PM, Lowlands-L wrote:

> From: Andy (Scots-Online) <andy at scots-online.org>

>> Sandy wrote:
>>
>>> "seek": used like the Dutch "ziek" rather than the English "sick".
>>
>> As in the Royal Edinburgh Hospital for Sick Children.
>> It is not full of children who are disgusting, gruesome, macabre or in
any
>> way mentally deranged.
>> They are simply ill ;-)

> R. F. Hahn wrote:

>> But doesn't English use "sick" in this sense as well?  Surely, "sick" in
the
>> sense of "deranged," "twisted" etc. is a relatively recent semantic
>> derivation.  I suppose in American English  "mad" has undergone a similar
>> specialized shift fairly recently to mean "angry," which is why many
>> Americans made jokes about the term "mad cow disease," imagining herds of
>> infuriated cattle.

The "sick" vs. "ill" issue in English has to do with US vs. British
varieties. In North American English "sick" *primarily* means "suffering
from or affected with an illness", so it is completely normally to say
"doctor, I feel sick" or "I am sick; I can't come to work to day". It can
also mean "mentally ill or disturbed" (informally in "one sick puppy"
meaning "crazy person"), but this is a secondary usage.

In my Dutch class, the instructor (who is more familiar with British
English) went out of his way to explain that Dutch "ziek" means "ill" not
"sick", much to the confusion of his American and Canadian students...

Cheers,

Troy

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From: Jorge Potter <jorgepot at prtc.net>
Subject: LL-L "False friends" 2004.06.10 (02) [E]

Dear Sandy Fleming/Lowlanders,'

You said:

'glammer (glamour): in Scots, means "magic".'

But also English 'glamour' comes from Scots 'glammer', which itself comes
from the Scots for 'grammar' because in those days a magician was also a
scholar.

Jorge Potter

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From: Jorge Potter <jorgepot at prtc.net>
Subject: "False friends"

Hello all !
When I look onto Ron's list I experience that there are false friends at
least between different Low Saxon variants:
> poul (<Pool>, like "pole") 'pool'
Eastern Friesland: pôl = cap / pauel = pool
> baar ([bQ:], like "bar") 'bare', 'naked'; 'bear' (animal)
EF: boer = bear
> kop (<Kopp>, like "cop") 'head'
EF: kop = head, cup
> beer (<Beer>, like 'bear') 'berry'; 'bore' (pig); 'beer'; 'pear'
EF: bēr [be:@] = barley / bäj [bE:I]= berry /pēr = pear / bæær [bæ:@] = beer
> schört (<Schört>, like "shirt") 'apron'
EF: sğööer = crack / sğûd = apron
> ney (<nee>, like "nay") 'new'
EF: nē [ne:] = no / näj [nE:I] = new
> hil (<hill>, like "hill>) 'urgent', 'in a hurry', 'busy'
EF: hiel [hI:l] = storing place beneath the roof of a farm-house's barn
> deyl (<Deel>, like 'dale') 'deal', 'part'
EF: dêl [de:`el] = floor, plank / däil [dæIl] = part
> lyv (<Lief>, like "leaf") 'body'
EF: līf = belly, abdomen / līcham = body
> lyk (<Liek>, like "leak", "leek") 'corpse', 'cadaver'
EF: līk = straight / lîk = corpse
> lid (<Lidd>, like "lid") 'member', 'link'
EF: lid = member / lid = joint
> bloud (<Bloot>, like "bloat") 'blood'
EF: blōt = only / blaud = blood
> pyl (<Piel>, like "peel") 'arrow'
EF: pîl [pi:`il] = streamlet / pīl [pi:l] = arrow / pīddel [pi.l:] = penis
> Pyp (<Piep>, like "peep") 'pipe', 'flute'
EF: pîp = pipe, flute, stove-pipe, leg-part of trousers
> Etc. ...
Greetings
Holger

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