LL-L "Morphology" 2004.06.22 (04) [E]

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From: Ruth & Mark Dreyer <mrdreyer at lantic.net>
Subject: LL-L "Morphology" 2004.06.22 (01) [E]

Dear Reinhard,
Subject: Morphology

    Just a quick one while I think about it.
In Afrikaans we still say ( where an Englishman says 'sold it for a song')
'Vir 'n appel en 'n ei' - 'For an apple & an egg', the Afrikaans singular &
plural is 'eier' (singular), & 'eiers' (plural).
I believed it to be hypercorrection.

    Was it once 'skoe - skoen'? like Middle English 'shoe - shoen'?
The Afrikaans is skoen - skoene
    Ditto 'kind - kinder'?
Afrikaans 'kind - kinders'

> Dutch:
>    kind [kɪnt] 'child'
>    kinderen ['kɪndərə(n)] 'children'
> Afrikaans:
>    kind [kə̃nt] 'child'
>    kinders ['kə̃n(d)ərs] 'children'

Afrikaans wanders furthest, in my opinion, from analytic to idiosyncratic in
the matter of plurals specifically, though not so bad as in English
muis - muise & huis - huise (mouse & house)
leeu - leeus & leuen - leuens (lion & lie)
Here is vowel mutation, with '-s' & with '-e' suffix
karba - karba:s & vat - va:te (both mean barrel, like 'carboy' & 'vat')
((the colon after the vowel isn't how we spell it, that's the phonetic way.
You just have to know)).
ou - ouens & nooi - nooiens (lads & lasses)
& alternatives
kat - kattens of katte & lam - lammers of lamme (cat & lamb)

Yrs sincerely,
Mark

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From: Ruth & Mark Dreyer <mrdreyer at lantic.net>
Subject: LL-L "Morphology" 2004.06.22 (02) [E]

Dear Kenneth  & Reinhard,
Subject: LL-L "Morphology"

My pennyworth:
    I don't see that the word 'loan' applies here: The artifact & the name
is native to the culture & language. I aver that the Taal evolved initially
'tween decks in the VOC packets, & there was a mengelmoes enough of tongues
to 'borrow', if that happened, plural forms familiar to speakers of other
West Netherfrankish dialects than the native tongue of the Hollandse Seeman.
    What is the Zeeus form? skoe - skoen, skoen - skoene, skoen - skoenen,
or something else?

    To to offer  the Hottentot's guess of the appropriate form for a plural
is not useful. 'He' would have to have 'guessed' the appropriate form from a
selection of related Indo-Germanic dialects he heard using the term. There
is no disputing that the plurals, howsoever idosyncratic, are nonetheless
Germanic. Now - now, which were these dialects? His own Khoikhoi languages
would be no help, & the Hottentot 'dialects', I know about, among them
Grikwa & Koranna, developed from an already substantially established
language.

    Please elaborate on the thesis that the Cape Hottentots spoke ?two?
Dutch-based pidgins.

    Unfortunately, Afrikaans just hasn't been around long enough to develop
much more than 'styles'. There are a few variable forms such as I have noted
in a previous letter, all mutually intelligible, & available to any speaker,
dependant mostly on how formally he wishes to speak. Adam Small makes the
point that it was not until the political alienation between the races that
came into being in the Last Century, that any notable racially distinctive
forms of Afrikaans developed.

> > The Afrikaans case is like that in Lowlands Saxon, but double-marking is
> > optional or varies from dialect to dialects:

    Please explain further.

> Was kinder used before the standardization of the language? And what is
> used in Orange River Afrikaans?

    Are you referring to the Afrikaans spoken by the Poet & President of the
O.F.S. Reitz, or to that of the denizens of Kanoneiland, or to the Grikwa
dialect of Afrikaans, which was nonetheles to them only an alternative to
their own Khoikhoi language, according to G.F. Selous?

Yrs sincerely,
Mark

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From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
Subject: Morphology

Thanks a lot for your input, Mark.

> > > The Afrikaans case is like that in Lowlands Saxon, but double-marking
is
> > > optional or varies from dialect to dialects:
>
>     Please explain further.

It was poorly phrased on my part.  Sorry.

I meant to say that double-marking is optional or varies from dialect to
dialects in *Lowlands Saxon*, not in Afrikaans.

Regards,
Reinhard/Ron

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