LL-L "Etymology" 2004.03.04 (10) [E]

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From: Kenneth Rohde Christiansen <kenneth at gnu.org>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2004.03.04 (08) [E]

My books says that vås might be related to Low Saxon backwaschen
(bagvaske). Vissevasse/visvas (vyzevase I suppose) from older hvishvas,
where hvas is an older form of vås.

The only info about vrøvl is:

vrøvle (ældre nydansk vrævle, at sno noget sammen, svensk dialekt
vrövla)

I think this is supposed to mean that it is a loan from Swedish.

> > originally meant "vrøvl, vås" ie. the same as "vysevaze".
>
> _Vrøvl_ must be related to (derived from?) LS _vrevel_ ~ _vrövel_ ~
_vrewel_
> ~ _vröwel_ 'heinous deed', 'crime', 'evil-doing', 'wantonness',
> 'sin(fulness)' (cf. German _Frevel_, Dutch _vrevel_?).  I feel it's a very
> old-fashioned, biblical-sounding word.
>
> I wonder if _vås_ is related to (i.e. the /-l-/ iterative verb form of)
> Lowlands Saxon (Low German) _vaseln_ (<faseln>) 'to tarry' > 'to talk
idly',
> 'to drivel' etc. (also German _faseln_).  I guess there must have been a
> noun *_vaas_ (*<Faas>) at one time, but I can't think of one being used
> nowadays.
>
> Regards,
> Reinhard/Ron

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From: Kevin Caldwell <kcaldwell31 at comcast.net>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2004.03.04 (08) [E]

> From: Kenneth Rohde Christiansen <kenneth at gnu.org>
> Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2004.03.04 (07) [D/E]
>
> Snakker seems a bit more informal still...so it probably meant the
same
> as "vyzevase" which apparently had the same meaning then as Danish
> "vissevasse" today.
>
> Cheers, Kenneth

It just occurred to me that this "vyzevase" sounds like whispering, so
could it have the connotation of "idle rumor", that is, something that
is whispered.  I would also suggest "pish-posh" as an English
equivalent.

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