LL-L "Phonology" 2004.05.14 (04) [D/E/F]

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From: Stella en Henno <stellahenno at hetnet.nl>
Subject: LL-L "Phonology" 2004.05.13 (09) [E]

>     By the way, have you had a look at the nasalised 'n' in Afrikaans, in
> consideration of the same thing in Portuguese, among the neighbouring
> Romance languages? 'Dans, Frans, Kaans' (Nederlands) to 'Dañs, Frañs,
kaañs'
> (Afrikaañs)? & then from 'pan' to 'poao', 'Lisbon' to 'Lisboa', 'Saint
Paul'
> to 'Sao Paolo'.
>
> Yrs Sincerely,
>     Mark.
>
> ----------
>
> From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Phonology
>
> As for nasalization (assimilation of vowels to following nasal consonants)
> in Afrikaans, I personally see it merely as a more "extreme" form of what
> exists in the European Lowlands.  Many Lowlands Saxon varieties nasalize
> pretty strongly also, though the nasal consonant is not deleted in the
> process as it can be in Afrikaans (e.g., Afrikããs).  This more "extreme"
> form in Afrikaans could have been developed independently or could have
been
> reinforced by other languages.  Sure, the Portuguese were "down there."
But
> their nasalized vowels have quite a different color, usually involving
> diphthongs with medialized vowels.  So why not go for the obvious and
> consider the influence of the many, many French Huguenots that came to be
> absorbed into the Afrikaans-speaking population?
>
> Regards,
> Reinhard/Ron

Ik soe earder sizze dat it út Hollân meinommen is: dêr binne foarmen as
[o~:s] foar [ons] frij normaal (al wurde se as "plat" [rude] beskôge) en ik
mien (al wit ik dêr net in soad fan) dat se yn Seelân ek foarkomme.
Byg. út Weijnen (vergelijkende klankleer van de Nederlandse dialecten):
"Voor het Vlaams wordt in "WVD inleiding", pag. 87, opgemerkt dat in het
Fransvlaams en Westvlaams (minder in Oostvlaams) voor n+s/z korte vocalen
sterk gerekt en genasaleerd worden, waarna de n achteraf wegvalt." (ek it
Amsterdamsk hat dit sterk, lykas dêr ek opmurken wurdt). Men soe sizze kinne
dat de siedden al yn Hollân plante waarden....

Groetnis,
Henno

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