LL-L "Etymology" 2004.11.23 (08) [E/LS]

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From: Marsha Alley <marshaalley at msn.com>
Subject: Word of questionable origin and authenticity

Have to come out of absorption/learning mode and ask this.

I was told long ago that a word sounding like "bee bush" was Polish for
little sweetheart.  I never saw it in print, have not heard it since.  Does
anyone know of such a word and its origin?  I appreciate the help.

Marsha Alley
Oregon USA

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From: R. F. Hahn <loalands-l at lowlands-l.net>
Subject: Etymology

Hi, Marsha!

Welcome to the speakers' corner, neighbor!

Regards,
Reinhard "Ron" F. Hahn
Seattle, Washington, USA
Founder & Administrator, Lowlands-L
lowlands-l at lowlands-l.net
http://www.lowlands-l.net

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From: Henry Pijffers <henry.pijffers at saxnot.com>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2004.11.23 (04) [E/LS]

Ron schreev:
>
> In North Saxon dialects, "girl" is usually _deyrn_ (<Deern>, <Diern>,
> [dE.I3n] ~ [da.I3n] ~ [di:3n]).  In the northeast (Eastern Friesland,
> Oldenburg, etc.) is _wicht_ (and boy is _vent_ <Fent>, I believe), and in
> Eastern dialects (I think also in Eastphalian ones) it's _meken_ (<Mäken>
> ['mE:k=N] ~ ['me:k=N] < dim. of a cognate of English "maid").
>
Also a cognate of Dutch meisje/meid. In Twente a girl is either a meid
or a meaken/mäken/whatever-you-want-to-spell-it. Sometimes also a deerne.

> In North Saxon and other dialects, I believe also in Westphalian, you can
> say _blagen_ (<Blagen> [blQ:g=N]) for "children," but to me it sounds
> derogatory
 >
Yes, the same goes for Twente, and Dutch.

>>Wy noymt onse baby mangs ok wal op Hollands blèrwicht ;)
>
> So a baby is a "cry thing/goblin"?
 >
Ours is anyway... We had to wrap her tightly in sheets (inbakeren) to
let us all get some sleep.

> ("To cry" with reference to babies is
> _blarren_ [bla:n] in our dialects.)  I guess that isn't all that far off
the
> mark.
>
Here it's pronounced more like [blEan], but means the same. It's also
used for shouting.

Henry

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From: Ingmar Roerdinkholder <ingmar.roerdinkholder at worldonline.nl>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2004.11.23 (04) [E/LS]

>  Kenneth :
> Wicht beteykent "girl" hyr in Grünnen, en blykber ok in Oost-Drinte -
> dat he'k namelk ok op myn Skik cd hoerd.
>
>>>>> Ha Kenneth. Dat was sekers in't leed Hoe kan dat nou? van Skik.
"En dat mien wichie toen opiens zee, dat de liefde veur mij over was..."
Do ik vör 't erst Skik hoyrde ("op fietse"), up de auto-radio, vör ümsgevaer
sövven jaor, mos ik haoste hulen,
geloyfste dat wal? Ik wasse so gelükkig dat ik endelike musyk Drentsch
hoyrde, ik waete now noch krek
waor ik ree, wat vör waer et was, etc. Ik wonde do al jäöre in Eindhoven,
wyd van Nederlandsch Saksen,
en Skik gof mij echte 't gevoyl at ik t'huus kwam... Se hebbet dre CD's in't
Drentsch emaakt, ik hebbe se allen,
aste dou se wilste ovvernemmen (kopieren up 'n schyveken) hoyr ik dat wal,
Kenneth...

> Ron:
> Old English, Old Saxon, Old German _wiht_ 'thing', 'being',   'creature',
'demon'

>>>>> Maybe "wicht"  has some connection with "gewicht" weight.
A weight is something, a thing, too?

>Henry:
> Mear wichter bint toch ok demonen? ;)

>>>>> Were you talking now about wichter are demons in the meaning of girls
or as children?
Both can be very true ;-)

Henry:
> Wy noymt onse baby mangs ok wal op Hollands blèrwicht ;)

>>>>>Jao, dat gloyv' ik! Ik hebbe der ok so een, maor dan is et 'n
blaerjung!
Volgens mij binne wij son betken van de sölfde laeftyd, of neet Henry?
Dartigers mit blagen, ene moje, swaore tyd in't laeven!

 R. F. Hahn :>
> In North Saxon dialects, "girl" is usually _deyrn_ (<Deern>, <Diern>

>>>>> Ok so in 't ächterhoyksch: derne ["de9n@] is 't normale word,
samen met maeken ["mE:k at n] vör "girl"

> In North Saxon, a baby is a _lüt_ (_Lütt_ [lYt] "little (one)", pl.
> _lütte(n)_ <Lütte(n)>), which can also be used to mean "child(ren)

>>>>> In Drenthe segget se _poppien_, "little doll" vör "baby"

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