LL-L "Etymology" 2004.10.10 (06) [E]

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From: Uilleam Ã’g mhic Sheumais <goidel.glas at gmail.com>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2004.10.10 (05) [E]

Feasgar math, a Lowlanders;

Ron wrote:
> P.S.: By the way, Yiddish דעמב _demb_ 'oak' comes from Polish _dąb_
> (/dãb/)
> 'oak' (< Proto-Slavonic _dǫb� _ /dõb/).

Ron, does this "dǫb�" (that's probably boxes, as it is on my computer,
despite having various unicode fonts... grr...) root have anything to
do with the Celtic "dru-" and its various descendants? Is there a
Proto-Indo-European root for oak using "d"?

Slightly off-topic but still curious,
Uilleam Ã’g mhic Sheumais

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From: R. F. Hahn <lowlands-l at lowlands-l.net>
Subject: Etymology

Feasgar math, a Uilleam!

I really don't know, Uilleam.  Perhaps someone else does.

The Indo-European word for 'oak' is *_aig-_.


Perhaps the Modern Celtic forms are related to what in Gaulish is _dervo-_
'tree' (cf. Proto-Slavonic *_d(i)ervo_ 'tree') and Proto-Slavonic *_dõbÑ _ is
related to Gaulish _dub-_ 'smoke', 'black', 'soot'.  Just a wild guess.

Early Irish has _dair_ (gen. _darach_) for 'oak', later also _daur_, related
to Cornish _dar_ and Welsh _derwen_, going back to *_darik-_, related to
Latin _larix_ and English _larch_; Archaic Greek δόρυ _dóru_ 'spear', and
eventually English _tree_.  A Celtic derivative is _darach_ 'body of a
boat'.  Sanskrit has द्र _dru_ for 'tree' (related to दारु _dāru_ 'wood'),
and Proto-Germanic has *_trewo-_ for 'tree'.  So there seems to be a close
relationship between 'tree' and 'oak' in Eurasia.

Mar sin leibh an drà sda!
Reinhard/Ron


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