LL-L "Botanica" 2004.10.11 (06) [A/E]

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From: Críostóir Ó Ciardha <paada_please at yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2004.10.11 (03) [E]


Gabriele wrote:
"Yggdrasil is not an oak tree, it's an ash."

But across the Indo-European languages, the species of tree referred to by
any term shared across the family often differs from language to language
(remember the famous Beech Line).

I may be completely wrong, but I can see cognates for _oak_ and _tree_
within _yggdrassil_ (that is, _ygg_ and _dra-_ respectively), even though it
is an ash. (Of course, _ygg_ could just as well represent an archaic form of
_ash_, too.)

I should also point out a personal affinity with oaks here, as Derry where I
live derives from Ir. _daire_ or _doire_ (the latter is the modern name in
Irish), 'oak grove', referring to the sacred grove that sat where St
Columb's Cathedral sits now. When the English arrived they referred to the
(then wooded) hill as _the Derrie_. Today there are many businesses with the
word _oak_ in their names, and a local school is _Oakgrove_. The emblem of
the Derry Gaelic Athletic Association (GAA) is an oak leaf and the county
team is referred to as "the Oak Leaf County". There is certainly still a lot
of fondness for oaks among us Derry wans.

Go raibh maith agat,

Criostóir.

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From: Ruth & Mark Dreyer <mrdreyer at lantic.net>
Subject: LL-L "Literature" 2004.10.11 (02) [A/E/S/German]

Beste Ingmar

Subject: LL-L "Literature" 2004.10.10 (04) [A/E/German/Yiddish]

> Baie goed gemaak Mark! Ek vra my nou af: het julle ook eikebome soos in
> Europa in Suid-Afrika, of gebruik Afrikaans daardie naam vir 'n andere
boom?
> Jou idee van alle taal-versies op een blad is handig, eintlik kan ek dat
> natuurlik ook doen.
> Maar wie weet sal daar nog meer dialekte of tale kom dus moet wy  beter
nog
> wag 'n oonblikkie... (Ingmar)

In teendeel: 'n Spieël wys maar immer net wat hy self sien. Tog; dankie.

Ja, wel: Ons het eikebome saamgebring en sedert 1652 hier in die Suidland
gevestig. Hulle lotjies grooi soos jonge reuse onder ons suiderson, vinnig
en hoog. Stellenbosch in die Kaapse Boland se bynaam is 'Die ou Eikestad'
vanweë die reuse bome in wie se skadu sy nou staan.

Die enigste herbenoeming van 'n inborling bomesoort met 'n vaderlandsnaam
waaraan ek onmiddelik kan dink is die 'boekenhoud'; 'n mooi groot boom met
'n houd van besondere kleur, draad en viguur, wat baie mooi bewerk; van die
min in die land van gehalte goed genoeg om klankborde vir musiekinstrumente
te maak.
Daar is ander wat ons hier gevind het wat glo ook in die Vaderland voorgekom
het, bv die wilde moepel, 'wild medlar' in Engels (Vangueria Infousta), die
vrug waarvan asemrowende brandewyn gestook kan word (my pa stook), en glo
ook heel behulpsaam in die toorkunde...

Ek wag; met gespanne asem!

Die Uwe,
Mark

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From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
Subject: Botanica

Beste Mark, mense,

Hallo, hallo!  Hier spreek een van jou beterweters.

Die korrekte botaniese naam is _Vangueria infausta_.

Heet dit nie ook "wilde mispel" in Afrikaans?

Ndebele: umbizo, umviyo
Noord-Sotho: mwilo
Shona: muchenarota
Swahili: muiru, mviru
Swati: umvile, amantulwane
Tsonga: mpfilwa
Tswana: mmilo, mothwanyê
Venda: muzwilu, mavelo
Xhosa: umvilo
Zulu: umviyo, umtulwa

In die volkskunde van Kenya en Tansania is dit 'n onheilige, euwele plant.

En die "(common) wild medlar" van Europa is 'n ander gewas: _Mespilus
germanica_.

Groete,
Reinhard/Ron

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