LL-L "Orthography" 2004.10.17 (06) [E]

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From: Kenneth Rohde Christiansen <kenneth.christiansen at gmail.com>
Subject: Orthography

Moyen Reinhard

Yes, your dialect has ey instead of y after n and r, right? This fits
very much with Gronings.
Stellingwarfs for instance has ey instead of y in auslaut, just as
many other LS dialects here in the NL. If so, we could just write y.
(myn vs my, instead of mien vs mi'j as in Stellingwarfs)

You probably also have ou instead of u in the words that are written
with ouw in Dutch: bouwen, vrouw, ...

Kenneth

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In certain word, both dialects have _ey_ and _ou_ where some other dialects
have _y_ (> _ii_?) and _uu_ repespectively; e.g.,

ney - ny(g) (ni(ig)?)  'new'
vrou - vru 'woman'
bakkerey - bakkery (bakkeri?) 'bakery'

Regards,
Reinhard/Ron

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From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
Subject: Orthography

Moyen, Kenneth!

> Yes, your dialect has ey instead of y after n and r, right? This fits
> very much with Gronings.

Right.  I think this is a predominant feature of the northern North Saxon
dialects (to which the ones of Groningen belong), while _y_ [i:] in this
position tends to dominate a bit farther south -- roughly speaking.

> Stellingwarfs for instance has ey instead of y in auslaut, just as
> many other LS dialects here in the NL. If so, we could just write y.
> (myn vs my, instead of mien vs mi'j as in Stellingwarfs)

No, I would suggest not writing them alike but to let people write _ey_ vs
_y_, and _ou_ vs _u_ according to their dialects.  Even if you force the
issue and argue that _ey_ and _y_ are allophonic here, it might be too much
of a mental leap for the average speaker/writer.  After all, people don't
want a writing system to lead to a standard dialect, and we have to allow
people to reflect their own dialects, have to allow them some room to move
and choose.

> You probably also have ou instead of u in the words that are written
> with ouw in Dutch: bouwen, vrouw, ...

Yes:

> vrou - vru 'woman'

So also:

bouen - buen 'to build'

I say and write _vrou_ and _bouen_.

Kumpelmenten,
Reinhard/Ron

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