LL-L "Lexicon" 2004.10.28 (02) [E]

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From: jpkrause <jpkrause at sunflower.com>
Subject: Lexicon

>From: Henry Pijffers <henry.pijffers at saxnot.com>
>Subject: LL-L "Orthography" 2004.10.27 (04) [E/LS]
>
>Reinhard wrote:
>
>>Do you use _snakken_ for 'to speak' in Twente, too?
>>
>No, we usually say "köjeren". Or "spraekken" sometimes. If you say
>"praoten", people assume that you're not fluent in Twents.
>
>Henry
>
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>From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
>Subject: Lexicon
>
>Henry,
>
>Thanks.
>
>>>Do you use _snakken_ for 'to speak' in Twente, too?
>>>
>>No, we usually say "köjeren". Or "spraekken" sometimes. If you say
>>"praoten", people assume that you're not fluent in Twents.
>
>Aha!  Just as I suspected.  This is another bit of information that
supports
>the assumption that the dialects of Twente are related to those that are
>known as "Westphalian" on the German side of the border.
>
>Regards,
>Reinhard/Ron
>
I always wondered about that.  In my Mennonite dialect, one has a choice
between snake (Ekj snak Plautdietsch.) and räde. (Jo, ekj kaun
Plautdietsch räde.)  Sproakj refers to the language itself.  So I
surmise Ron's supposition applies here too, not?
Jim Krause.

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From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
Subject: Lexicon

Morje, Jim!

> So I
> surmise Ron's supposition applies here too, not?

I guess so if what you mean is that Plautdietsch (i.e., Mennonite Lowlands
Saxon/Low German) has North Saxon traits rather than Westphalian or
Eastphalian ones.

_Reden_ (<räde(n)>) and _spreken_ (<spräke(n)>) for 'to speak' tends to
predominate in eastern dialects.  To many of us in the North Saxon region
these sound like a Germanisms (associated with German _reden_ and
_sprechen_).  We generally say _snakken_, except in a large part of the
Eastern Friesland and Groningen areas where they have noticeable Frisian
substrates and Dutch influences and generally say _praten_ (<praoten>).
_Köyern_, _küyern_, etc. predominate in the Westphalian area.  I am not too
sure about the Eastphalian area and the adjoining closely related, though
officially Eastern (i.e., Southeastern) dialects of Brandenburg (surrounding
Berlin) and Saxony-Anhalt, but I think _reden_ and _spreken_ predominate
there.

Kumpelmenten,
Reinhard/Ron

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