LL-L "Phonology" 2004.10.29 (10) [E]

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From: Críostóir Ó Ciardha <paada_please at yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: LL-L "Phonology" 2004.10.29 (01) [A/E]

Mark Dreyer wrote:
"There is in Afrikaans the fossilised reminder of this change. The name
'Walther' in other tongues is 'Wouter' in Afrikaans. So also 'goud' for
English 'gold', 'sout' for English 'salt' & 'hou' for English 'hold'. but
the change did not occur with other likely words, 'balk' for 'baulk', 'kalk'
for 'caulk' (only cognates), 'valk' for 'falcon'."

This is a key characteristic of Nottingham English, too. I think it is
related to Dutch or Zeelandic.

Eng. _gold_ - NEng. [go:d]
Eng. _cold_ - NEng. [ko:d]
Eng. _salt_ - NEng. [so:t]
Eng. _hold_ - NEng. [o:d]

Note there is thus no difference in NEng between _hold_ and _old_, both
being pronounced [o:d], or between _code_ and _cold_. Interestingly, NEng
retains a slight /w/ glide on the [o:] in the above words, probably
indicating the fossil bones of a once extant [l].

Note also [l] is maintained in _falcon_, _chalk_, etc. in NEng, although
when I was at school it was fashionable to replace this with a [w] a la
Cockney. This [w] was not an indigenous feature of NEng, however.

Go raibh maith agat

Criostóir.

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From: Ingmar Roerdinkholder <ingmar.roerdinkholder at worldonline.nl>
Subject: LL-L "Phonology" 2004.10.29 (01) [A/E]

>>>>> About s+d becoming [zd] in Flemish and French:
I think this is a normal assimilation rule in most (?) languages; the [d]
devoices the [s] to [z], so [s+d] = [zd].
It's hard to avoid that pronunciation in natural speech.
The same with [f] + [d] = [vd], [f] + [b] = [vb], [s] + [b] = [zb] etc
To pronounce a voiced and voiceless consonant apart here would need an
unnatural pause here.
But there are also dialects or languages who _chose_ for the voiceless
variety; there [s]+[d] => [st]
(Ingmar)

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