LL-L "Etymology" 2004.09.03 (01) [E]

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From: David Barrow <davidab at telefonica.net.pe>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2004.09.01 (05) [E]

>From: john feather <johnfeather at sceptic1.freeserve.co.uk>
>Subject: Etymology
>
>I disagree with David Barrow and Henno about "forlorn" as in "forlorn
hope".
>"Forlorn" is an E word to which the Du word "verloren" was assimilated. The
>word actually took on a new metaphorical sense from the Du and is now only
>used in that way. I actually though of including this example in the "Hals-
>und Beinbruch" strand but didn't want to invite the arguments which I felt
>might be raised against it.
>
I never said forlorn wasn't English. The paragraph I quoted says forlorn
is from OE and hope in the phrase is from Dutch hoop. So forlorn hope is
part translation part borrowing. And has taken on a meaning specific to
English because of the word 'hope'

Forlorn isn't just used in the phrase
 From Longman Dictionary of contemporary English

Forlorn:  adj 1 Seeming lonely and unhappy _ a forlorn little figure
sitting outside the station_
2 A place that is forlorn seems empty and sad and is often in bad
condition _ the house looked empty and forlorn_
3 Forlorn hope something you hope for that is very unlikely to happen
_we continued negotiating in the forlorn hope of finding a peace formula_

David Barrow

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