LL-L "Phonology " 2005.04.05 (06) [E]

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From: Ingmar Roerdinkholder <ingmar.roerdinkholder at WORLDONLINE.NL>
Subject: LL-L "Phonology" 2005.04.05 (01) [E]

Well, [a]+[y] is an easy way to explain how foreigners can learn to say
<ui>, in stead of ooy, oo-ee, aye, ow, oy etc.
Actually it's the modern pronunciation of <ui> in the Netherlands, especi-
ally in de Randstad.
A more classical way to pronounce <ui> is [ö]+[y], maybe that is closer to
what you read.
In the East -with LS accent - and in many South Eastern pronunciations
(South-Gelderland/East Brabant/Limburg) we can hear [öj] or even [øj] -
which in Standard Dutch would be spelled as <eu>.
In many cities, e.g The Hague & Amsterdam, as well as in Belgium Brabant
and Dutch Brabant <ui> =>[ö:]

Ingmar

>From: Brooks, Mark <mark.brooks at twc.state.tx.us>
>Subject: LL-L "Phonology" 2005.04.02 (01) [E]
>
>Ingmar wrote: "first say [a] (like in Dutch, German, Italian, Spanish etc)
>and then say [y](=Dutch/French <u>, German <ü>, Scandinavian <y>)."
>
>I read somewhere a long time ago that the Dutch <ui> was a low front
rounded
>vowel moving to a high front rounded vowel.  It sounds like what you
>described is a low back vowel to a high front rounded vowel.  Is what I
read
>before wrong?

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