LL-L "Etymology" 2005.04.06 (06) [E]

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From: Ingmar Roerdinkholder <ingmar.roerdinkholder at WORLDONLINE.NL>
Subject: LL-L "Phonology" 2005.04.06 (04) [E]

PS: I know 'baie' is from Malay 'banya' much, many, a lot. Are there more
common Malay/Javanese/Indonesian/Malagassy loans in Afr.?
In Dutch we have some common ones like 'piekeren' to think/to worry
(originally from Arabic 'fikir' of course), 'soebatten' to quarrel, 'tabé'
farewell, 'tahoe' tofu (<Chinese?), 'toko' shop (<Chinese?) etc

Ingmar

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From: Henno Brandsma <hennobrandsma at hetnet.nl>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2005.04.06 (03) [E]

> From: jonny <jonny.meibohm at arcor.de>
> Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2005.04.03 (04) [E]
>
> Dear Lowlanners, Heather:
>
> one word more to LS: "Weet" v/s E: "wet":
>
>> Eric Partidge says:  akin to OE waeter  is OE adjective    wæt...
>> which
>> is akin to OFris  wet and ON vathr, vatr
>>
>> So no direct HG version tho' all are related to Wasser / waten
>>
>> Heather
>
> Well- indeed there exists another, but very special word tight to E:
> 'wet'
> in our LS-dialect: "Wettern" (same way used in High German), meaning
> something like  D:"Gracht", E: "canal".
> In the times of Middel-Low-Saxon it was called "Wetering", but I always
> supposed it to be a Dutch loan.
> Something like that used in the Netherlandic languages?
>
> Greutens/sincerely
>
> Johannes "Jonny" Meibohm

"Wetering" is indeed a Dutch word, and "wjittering" in West Frisian.
This suggests that the e: is old, and maybe an ablaut variant of
"water" (WF wetter) or an old Ingvaeonic form, with e < a.

Mei freonlike groetnis,

Henno Brandsma

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From: Jacqueline Bungenberg de Jong <Dutchmatters at comcast.net>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2005.04.06 (03) [E]

Hello Heather, Johnny
Yes indeed the word wetering is still in use in Dutch. It is a drainage
ditch, but bigger than a "sloot" ( little ditch )that drains water from
our polders. You will also find the name in several place names like
Weteringen in Overijsel en street names like Weteringschans in
Amsterdam. Jacqueline

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From: Arthur Jones <arthurobin2002 at yahoo.com>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2005.04.06 (03) [E]


From: Arthur A. Jones
arthurobin2002 at yahoo.com

Lieve Leeglanners,

Jonny Meibohm has brought a really interesting and nearly-archaic usage into
the picture. It was my understanding that _wetering_, as in the Amsterdam
_weteringsschans_ was originally a gracht, indeed, but one specifically
designed for irrigation rather than transportation or sheer drainage. We
would need to see the 11th Century engineers' original plans.

I dunno. The farther back in time we delve over "water rights", the more we
see uncanny similarities between Proto-Indo-European words and Semitic,
perhaps even Nostratic origins. Some argue that all aquatic words derive
from the "glug" sound in the Kehl performed in drinking.

Met groeten,

Arthur

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