LL-L "Etymology" 2005.04.26 (01) [E]

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From: Críostóir Ó Ciardha <paada_please at yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2005.04.25 (04) [E]


Ben Bloomgren wrote:
"When did we lose shat?"

We haven't. In most of England it remains the past tense of the verb "to
shit". It even appears to have become more popular over the last twenty
years in my experience. Northern English and Hiberno-English forms are based
on _shite_ - e.g., past tense _shite_ and _shat_, and _shit_ as a weak past
tense along the lines of _driv_ for _drove_.

Go raibh maith agat,

Criostóir.

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From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
Subject: Etymology

Críostóir (above):


> Ben Bloomgren wrote:
> "When did we lose shat?"
>
> We haven't.

Not English as a whole but American English, certainly the dialects within
the standard range.  The same goes for "spat" (preterite of "spit").  People
look at me strangely when I say "spat," so I'm caught somewhere between
wanting to stop it and not being able to bring myself to saying "spit" for
the preterite.  "Shat" and "spat" are considered quite alien, and some
people won't even know what they mean.

By the way, this also goes for the pronunciation "at" for "ate."  I've
always found that strange myself and don't say it.  I suppose it is derived
from a variant with a short vowel: _atte_ ['at@] vs _ate_ ['a:t@].

Low Saxon (North Saxon):

shit: schyten > schyt - scheyt - scheyten
        (schieten > schiet - scheet - scheten)
        ['Si:t=n] > [Si:t] - [SEIt] - ['SEIt=n]
        Pres.: ik schyt [Si:t], du schitst [SItst], hey schitt [SIt],
             wy schytt [Si:t] ~ schyten ['Si:t=n]

shoot: scheyten > scheyt - schoyt~schout - schoyten~schouten~schaten
        (scheten > scheet - schööt~schoot - schöten~schoten~schaten)
        ['SEIt=n]  > [SEIt] - [S9It] ~ [SOUt] - ['S9It=n] ~ ['SOUt=n] ~
[S@:t=n]
        Pres.: ik scheyt [SEIt] - du schütst [SYtst] - hey schütt [SYt] -
             wy scheytt [SEIt] ~ scheyten ['SEIt=n]

sit: sitten > seyt - sat - seten
        (sitten > seet - satt - seten)
        ['zIt=n] > [zEIt] - [zat] - ['ze:t=n]
        Pres.: ik sit [zIt], du sitst [zItst], hey sitt [zIt], wy sitt [zIt]
~ sitten ['zIt=n]

eat: eten > eet - eyt - eyten
        (eten > eet - eet - eten)
        [e:t=n] > [e:t] - [EIt] - ['e:t=n]
        pres.: ik eet [e:t], du itst [Itst], hey itt [It], wy eett [e:t] ~
eten ['e:t=n]

NB: [e:] ~ [E:], [EI] ~ [aI], [OU] ~ [aU], [9I] ~ [OI], [@:] ~ [o:] ~ [a:]
depending on dialect

Regards,
Reinhard/Ron

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