LL-L "Lexicon" 2005.12.30 (01) [E]

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L O W L A N D S - L * 30 December 2005 * Volume 01
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From: "Henry Pijffers" <henry at saxnot.com>
Subject: LL-L "Lexicon" 2005.12.28 (03) [E]

Ron schreev:
>
>> Interesting, is the presence of the i instead of d related to other
>> words in Flemish/Dutch where sometimes d is replaced by i (raden/raaien,
>> rode/rooie, dode/dooie, etc.)?
>
> The phoneme /d/ is very "fragile" in the "Low German" language group:
>
> /d/ -> [j] -> [ ]
>
> The second step can be seen in words like farwestern Low Saxon /lüde/
> 'people' > _lüje_ -> _lüe_ -> _lü_ (<luje> -> <lue> -> <lu>)
 >
We also say "ro...", "do...", etc. Poor d, gets deleted anytime we can.

Henry

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From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
Subject: Lexicon

Moyen, Henry!

> Poor d, gets deleted anytime we can.

Indeed.  It's weak, elusive, and it seems to me that this is a common Low
German (i.e., Low Franconian and Low Saxon) feature that, being on a
continuum, is strongst in the far west.

Note that in the east, beginning somewhere in the Eastphalian dialect
range and going eastward, it corresponds to or is perceived as /t/ and is
never deleted, as far as I know; e.g., Eastphalian _luyte_ ~ _lüyte_ ~
_luite_ ~ _liute_ ~ liüte_ 'people' (cf. Middle "High" German _liute_,
Russian люди _lyudy_).

Of course, in most Low Saxon varieties the difference between non-initial
/t/ and /d/ is hard to tell because of final devoicing and because of
aspiration being confined to word-initial voiceless stops (the latter
being similar to most American English varieties).

Regards,
Reinhard/Ron

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