LL-L "Etymology" 2005.07.27 (01) [D/E]

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From: Ingmar Roerdinkholder <ingmar.roerdinkholder at WORLDONLINE.NL>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2005.07.26 (09) [E]

English harness, Dutch harnas, which look typical French loans to me.
I'll look it up in the Dutch etymological dictionary.

NEW says:
Middle Dutch harnasc, hernasc, harnas, harnes, harnis from Old French
harnasc, hanais, harneis, from Old Breton harnaidg, harnez.
But there is a Germanic connection: French Harnas is "crossed" with
harneis, from Old Norse hernest = army stock (her, heer, heir= army).

Ingmar

Jonny Meibohm:

>I am curious about the etymological background- in G:'Harnisch' means E:
>'armor', 'cuirass'.
>I suspect it within relationship to E:'horse', Old Saxon/Old High German
>'hros', which is tradited in our G: 'Ross'.
>'Harnisch' I guess to have been the armor of a E:'knight' but 'rider' in a
>more common sense, G:'Ritter' - could there be the junction.?

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From: Paul Finlow-Bates <wolf_thunder51 at yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2005.07.26 (09) [E]


Johnny wrote:
"in G:'Harnisch' means E:
'armor', 'cuirass'."
In mediaeval military jargon, 'harness' means roughly the same; the full 
complement of plate, mail, helmet, padded linen, cotton or leather 
undergarments etc.  This is as opposed to "an armour" (note singular) which 
usually specifically refers to the metal bits alone.

Paul

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From: Jo Thijs <jo.thijs1 at telenet.be>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2005.07.26 (09) [E]

Dag Jonny, allemaal,

>in another mail of today I used the word E:_harness_, LS: 'anschirr'n,
>inspannen, anspannen', G:(same)'anschirren, anspannen, einspannen'. I never
>before had heard this word.

Dit is wat van Dale over _harnas_ zegt:
MDutch harnas(ch), hernas(ch), harnes, hernes, armour < Ofrench harnasc, 
harnais, harneis,< Germanic.
Cfr _heer_ heir, (army) and Mdutch _neren_ voeden, onderhouden, (to feed, to 
maintain)dus uitrusting voor het leger (army equipement).

Harnas wordt ook gebruikt voor het netwerk van een gotisch venster, het 
dwarshout van een dissel, en als deel van weefgetouwen.

Groeten.

Jo Thys

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