LL-L "Grammar" 2005.06.06 (08) [E]

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From: Clarkedavid8 at aol.com <Clarkedavid8 at aol.com>
Subject: LL-L "Language varieties" 2005.06.06 (04) [E]

Better still, use the perfective aspect of the verb - "dala"

[David Clarke]

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From: Kevin Caldwell <kcaldwell31 at comcast.net>
Subject: LL-L "Language varieties" 2005.06.06 (05) [E]

> From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Language varieties
>
> > "O ye fickle people...", not "Oh, ye fickle people..."
>
> Thanks, Kevin.  Those would mean different things to me.  The first is
> vocative, and the second "Oh, ..." expresses dismay or exaspiration.

Yes, I could see that.  I guess I was thinking of the instances in the King
James Version of the Bible where Jesus says, "O ye of little faith!", where
it is both vocative and an expression of exasperation.

Kevin Caldwell

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From: Global Moose Translations <globalmoose at t-online.de>
Subject: LL-L "Language varieties" 2005.06.06 (05) [E]

Kevin Caldwell wrote:
> I'm barely over 40, and I'd say the loss of "whom", at least in America,
> extends well into the over-40 generation.

Sometimes I wish it were so; in the computer game I am currently
translating, I came across this sentence today:

"Whomever locked that box obviously didn't want it opened again".

Ouch!
Gabriele Kahn

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From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
Subject: Grammar

My take on the subject of confusion between "I" and "me," "who" and "whom,"
etc. is due -- to put it simply and crudely -- to the chickens of decades of
no grammar lessons coming home to roost and running into people's need to
impress by coming across as more educated than they are, attempts based on
the mistaken belief that the more "exotic"-sounding option must be the
better, "educated" one.  People who buy into this -- well -- pretentiousness
may be sufficiently impressed to copy the usage.  This may very well have
been the process by which many grammatical quaintnesses entered English (and
other languages).

Regards,
Reinhard/Ron

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