LL-L "Phonology" 2005.06.16 (02) [E]

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From: David Barrow <davidab at telefonica.net.pe>
Subject: LL-L "Phonology" 2005.06.15 (06) [E]

> From: Críostóir Ó Ciardha <paada_please at yahoo.co.uk>
> Subject: LL-L "Phonology" 2005.05.14 (11) [E]
>
> Ron wrote:
> "Rule No. 3 applied as well, in some varieties of Icelandic -- or so I
> vaguely remember."
>
> I suppose [K] must also be found in Faroese, then, due to its
> closeness to
> Icelandic. I am surprised the sound is comparatively rare given its
> predictable development from the /tl/ cluster. Is it not known in any
> other
> Lowlandic languages and variants? I would expect it to have survived word
> medially in Cornish English (it hasn't) and word initially in at least
> one
> of the Welsh Englishes (it hasn't).
>
> Also:
> "In English-speaking communities Welsh [K] used to be heard as akin to
> /f(l)/ (hence e.g. Lloyd > Floyd, Llewelyn > Flello) or /hw/ (e.g.
> Llewelyn
> > Whellin > Wellin(g))."
>
> There seems to have been a development here from a perception of [K]
> as [fl]
> in the sixteenth century to one of [K] as [T] or [tl] by the
> eighteenth and
> nineteenth centuries. This can be seen in the comparison of Lloyd (Llwyd
> 'grey') / Floyd (c. sixteenth century, remember Shakespeare used Fluellen
> for Llywellyn) with Sealth for Seattle (eighteenth or nineteenth
> century).
>
> Lastly:
> "Nahuatl < Nahuatl/Aztec _naawaK_ > _naawas'_ )..."
>
> I am pleased you mentioned this example - a correct pronunciation of the
> /tl/ grapheme as a lateral fricative in Nahuatl led me to realise that I
> used [K] regularly in this position, hence my sudden post yesterday about
> phonemic isolates.
>
> Go raibh maith agat,
>
> Criostóir.

Criostóir

I have a glottal stop for the 't' in medial 'tl' so I'm wondering if the
sound development goes something like this:

[?l] --> [hl] --> [K]

David Barrow

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