LL-L "Language varieties" 2005.11.09 (05) [E]

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09 November 2005 * Volume 05
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From: Mark Dreyer <mrdreyer at lantic.net>
Subject: LL-L "Language varieties" 2005.11.09 (03) [E]

Hi All:

Subject: LL-L "Language varieties"

Thanks Críostóir, I've been watching this Yoda string with great interest.
It melds with another of yours (if I remember aright) some time ago on the
prevalence of Flemish plantations in the British Isles. As I read it this
was particularly strong under initially Plantagenet patronage. John of
Ghaunt was born & spent some years in Ghent, did he not? I wonder if he saw
what he spoke East or West of the ditch as different languages, or merely
different dialects of one? Which British King took a Flemish wife - it was
in Chaucer's time? This association lasted quite long; was it not Mary Queen
of Scots who on her death-bed said, "Dunkirk is written on my heart" - or
words to that effect. I hear that even today the British Royal Family holds
extensive estates in the Lowlands. An even earlier string dealt with some
heat on the mutual intelligibility of cross-channel dialects, & I might add,
if this were not the case, I rather doubt if Caxton could have managed to
transpose the printing press & associated technology (& sundry literary
works) so soon after Gutenberg.

Dankie, Luc, vir u inset. Man, dis prettig

Die Uwe,
Mark

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From: Mark Dreyer <mrdreyer at lantic.net>
Subject: LL-L "Language varieties" 2005.11.07 (10) [E]

Dear Ron:

Subject: LL-L "Language varieties"

I love it when you do 'Deviil's advocate'. You begin to sound like Widsith.
Have you considered casting it in staverhyme?
Acsh, a look at a polar projection map of the region is a graphic
illumination of the  point about the regional integrity of the
Suomi/Saami/Samoyed, and it includes the Amerind too. An entry in King
Alfred's Orosius, I think, covering Other's voyage beyond the Noth Cape
describes a Lattish people with very Hunnish funerary traditions.

Yrs,
Mark

PS And they (the Amerinds) DID come from Asia! Good ses to them!

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From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
Subject: Language varieties

Marc:

> I love it when you do 'Deviil's advocate'. You begin to sound like 
> Widsith.

Hwæt?!  Sôþe?

> Have you considered casting it in staverhyme?

Gíese, nûhwanne:


   Þus maðolade Mearc   Tyrnwrîþas æþela
   âhwanes sûþan     wundores full
   ofer Raginhearta    héafodmann sprǽces
   Seaxlandes sunu     Winedalandes éac
   wigol héofodes     oft plegolîc hyrned
   scoccanes þingere     þéah lufes âr
   stuntsprǽcend sott     hycgena foreséond
   díofolîc wordcræft     engeltynge fréod


Old English : Modern English glossary:
   æþela : descendant
   âhwanes : from somewhere
   âr : messenger, angel
   díofolîc : devilish, diabolic
   éac : also, as well
   engeltynge : angel-tongued
   foreséon : foresee, envisage
   fréod : peace, love
   héofod : head
   héafodmann : foreman
   hycga : (mindful) thinker
   hyrned : horned
   lufu : love
   maðolan : say
   ofer : about
   plegolîc : playfully
   scocca : devil
   Seaxland : Saxony
   sott : fool, idiot
   sprǽce (spræ^ce) : speaking place
   stuntsprǽcen (stuntspræ^cen) : blathering
   sunu : son
   sûþan : from the south
   þéah : yet
   þingere : advocate, promoter
   þus : thus
   tyrnan : to turn
   wigol : foretell, portend, prophesy
   Winedaland : Land of Slavs
   wordcræft : speech, talk, way with words
   wrîþan : to turn
   wundor : wonder

Reinhard/Ron 

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