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   L O W L A N D S - L * 12 November 2005 * Volume 02
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From: heather rendall <HeatherRendall at compuserve.com>
Subject: LL-L "Language varieties" 2005.11.11 (03) [E]

Message text written by INTERNET:lowlands-l at LOWLANDS-L.NET
>It wasnt Mary Queen of Scots, it was Mary Tudor (first child of Henry VIII

and, for a short time, queen of England) who said that the word Calais was
engraved on her heart, because she lost it to the French.<

Whoops!

I was so fixed on the Dunkirk bit I didn't notice the Queen!!!!!!

Heather

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From: Clarkedavid8 at aol.com <Clarkedavid8 at aol.com>
Subject: LL-L "Language varieties" 2005.11.11 (03) [E]

"was it not Mary Queen
of Scots who on her death-bed said, "Dunkirk is written on my heart" <

Actually it was the loss of Calais that she rued to her death."

It wasnt Mary Queen of Scots, it was Mary Tudor (first child of Henry VIII
and, for a short time, queen of England) who said that the word Calais was
engraved on her heart, because she lost it to the French.

David Clarke

In fact, if you think about it, Mary Queen of Scots didnt even have a 
death-bed.
The story of the heart of Mary Tudor is actually told wrong in "1066 and all 
that", which claims that the word "Callous"  was found to be written on her 
heart after her death - when she was queen, she burnt a lot of protestants 
and was known (probably not to her face) as "Bloody Mary".

David Clarke

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From: burgdal32admin <burgdal32 at pandora.be>
Subject: LL-L "Language varieties" 2005.11.09 (05) [E]

> From: Mark Dreyer <mrdreyer at lantic.net>
> Subject: LL-L "Language varieties" 2005.11.09 (03) [E]
>
> Hi All:
>
> Subject: LL-L "Language varieties"
>
> Thanks Críostóir, I've been watching this Yoda string with great
> interest.
> It melds with another of yours (if I remember aright) some time ago
> on the
> prevalence of Flemish plantations in the British Isles. As I read
> it this
> was particularly strong under initially Plantagenet patronage. John of
> Ghaunt was born & spent some years in Ghent, did he not? I wonder
> if he saw
> what he spoke East or West of the ditch as different languages, or
> merely
> different dialects of one? Which British King took a Flemish wife -
> it was
> in Chaucer's time?
Chaucer married a Flemish girl: Philippa de Roet. Her sister became
the mistress and wife of John of Ghent.
And more...
-William the conqueror's wife was Flemish: Queen Mathilde of Flanders.
-Gilbert of Ghent, grandson of the duke of Flanders married Rohais
the daughter of the count of Lincoln
-Gherbord the Fleming, later count of Chester
-Thomas le Flemmangh, lord of Welbeck
-Drogo de Bruere, lord of Beverley
-Filips de Ram
-Ranul de Messines (Messines in Flanders, where queen Mathilde's
mother  still  lies burried)
-Baliol
-Kumyns (Commines) (Who wanted the trone of Scotland)
-Henry I made an agreement with Robrecht, count of Flanders to
support him by sending 500 knights (against 400 mark's of silver)
-Willem van Loo, viscount of Ieper, duke of Kent. His castle in Rye
was called "Ypres castle".
-Henry II 's second wife was Alice, daughter of the count of Leuven
-Woolwevers in Norfolk and South-Lancashire (thousands)
-King Edward III married Filippa, daughter of the count of Hainaut.
Their son John of Ghent had this name because he was baptised in Ghent.
Their second son was born in Antwerp.
-The London Hanze was first called the "Brugse of Vlaamse Hanze"
> This association lasted quite long; was it not Mary Queen
> of Scots who on her death-bed said, "Dunkirk is written on my
> heart" - or
> words to that effect. I hear that even today the British Royal
> Family holds
> extensive estates in the Lowlands. An even earlier string dealt
> with some
> heat on the mutual intelligibility of cross-channel dialects, & I
> might add,
> if this were not the case, I rather doubt if Caxton could have
> managed to
> transpose the printing press & associated technology (& sundry
> literary
> works) so soon after Gutenberg.
Caxton lived in Brugge from 1446 till 1476

But it goes the other way around also:

Irisch 'colleges' in Leuven - Antwerpen- Doornik- Rijsel- Dowaai
An English-Irisch 'colony' in Mechelen
Irisch 'nuns' in Ieper - Grevelingen- Duinkerke- Nieuwpoort
...

Groetjes
Luc Vanbrabant
Oekene 

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