LL-L "Etymology" 2005.11.22 (01) [E/LS/German]

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L O W L A N D S - L * 22 October 2005 * Volume 01
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From: "Sandy Fleming" <sandy at scotstext.org>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2005.11.21 (02) [E]

> From: jonny <jonny.meibohm at arcor.de>
> Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2005.11.20 (05) [E]
>
> I found another one there, which I had been looking for an equivalent in
> another language for times:
>
> _stÃ¥rkia'_, E: 'girl' we have in LS as 'Starke', meaning a young cow (*a
> cow-girl*) older than one year bot not pregnant.(If the same is
> pregnant we
> call it LS:'Queene'; I think its stem can be found in the IE 'gyn-'.)
>
> I don't think it to be a loan from LS, but both words I suppose to be
> from
> the same (dark?) origin.

In Scots we have "stirk" meaning a bullock or a heifer - usually a
bullock. A heifer would be a "stot", if I'm understanding these farmyard
terms correctly.

You can do a search in http://scotstext.org/ for a fair number of
examples from the literature, including the application of "stirk" to
human beings as an insult.

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From: "jonny" <jonny.meibohm at arcor.de>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2005.11.21 (06) [D/E/LS]

Leeve Reini,

Du schreyst:
> Van een "oostersch" woord dat naar 'lubberen' verwandt zou kunnen zijn
> (*lÃ¼bbern, *lÃ¶bbern, *lubbern, *lobbern) ben ik me niet bewust .
Ick op StÃ¼nns ouk ne,- man- kunnen dat woll disse 'Lobbyisten' ween ;-)?
Kunn woll tou jem recht passlich tou-hoyr'n!

Ick will liekers woll versoyken, mi door wat kunnig tou mooken.

Best' Greutens

Johannes "Jonny" Meibohm

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From: "Philip Ernest Barber" <pbarber at loc.gov>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2005.11.21 (06) [D/E/LS]

Perhaps one should recall that "kine" is the archaic English plural of
"cow."  See
the King James (Authorised) Version of the Bible, the story of Joseph's
interpretation of Pharoah's dream of "seven fat kine" and "seven lean kine."
(Genesis 41.)

Even growing up in Texas, which has some archaic English survivals and a
lot of
cattle, I don't recall hearing this word except in a church context.

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From: "Mark Dreyer" <mrdreyer at lantic.net>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2005.11.20 (05) [E]

Dear Ron

Subject: Etymology

Jamtlandish - In it I found three words of apparent Low Saxon ("Low German")
origin, possibly not not shared with Swedish. I wonder if they reached the
language via Norwegian, given that Jamtland used to belong to Norway and
Jamtlandish, like (non-Danish-based) Norwegian varieties belongs to the West
Scandinavian group (as opposed to Danish, Jutish, Swedish, Dalecarlian and
Scanian belonging to the East Scandinavian group, Dano-Norwegian, or
_bokmÃ¥l_, being East Scandinavian
with West Scandinavian substrates and admixtures).  I would be interested in
any comments you might have.  Might these be native words rather than loans?

This information would interest me too. Of course you know the Afrikaans for
these,

'Boos' = angry, cross, wicked. Baus [baUs] = elak, framfusig = rude, pushy =
bÃ¶Ã¶s' (boys') [bÅ“:Yz] ~ [bÅ“:Iz]
'byl' = bihl [biK] = yxa = ax = Biel (byl) [bi:l]
'vark' = farken ["farkIn]  = galt = male pig = Farken (varken) 'piglet'
["fa:k=N]

For Jonny, though no doubt at all he knows this too, there is the English

'stirk' = yearling ox or cow. Anglo Saxon 'stirc' = calf.
'queen' = female monarch or cat (sometimes). Anglo Saxon 'cwene' = female

And this in Afrikaans,

'beer' = male pig.

Yrs,
Mark

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From: "Heiko Evermann" <heiko.evermann at gmx.de>
Subject: LL-L : GoldhÃ¤hnchen

Moin tosamen,

in der plattdeutschen Wikipedia stand derzeit "In Middeleuropa is de
Tuunkeunig de lÃ¼ttste Vagel."

Nun hat uns jemand darauf aufmerksam gemacht, daÃŸ diese Ehre dem Sommer- und
dem WintergoldhÃ¤hnchen zusteht. Ist dafÃ¼r ein plattdeutscher Name
aufzutreiben?

Hartlich GrÃ¶ten,

Heiko Evermann

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From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
Subject: Etymology

Hi, Lowlanders!

Thanks, for the interesting info above, guys.  What a treat to hear from
you, Phillip!  I had no idea about "kine."  (I sat next to a real Texas
cowboy on the plane last night, by the way, hat, belt buckle, and the
works, and he was a really nice guy.)

Hallo, Heiko!  Ik hev myn woyrbouk nich mit.  Villicht weett wen anners
d'n naam.

Folks, Heiko was told that not the wren but the kinglet (NL goudhaantje)
is the smallest bird.  Its the genus _Regulus_.

Mark:

> 'queen' = female monarch or cat (sometimes). Anglo Saxon 'cwene'
  = female

Low Saxon _kweyne_ 'young cow' (I think).  Cat, cow, monarch ... What's
the difference?

Regards,
Reinhard/Ron
coming to you from sunny and warm California

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