LL-L "Etymology" 2005.09.22 (10) [A/E/LS]

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From: Elsie Zinsser <ezinsser at icon.co.za>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2005.09.21 (01) [A/E]

Haai almal,

Theo Homan skryf:
No, it is the other way round. neuk - was originally push / bump / knock / 
hit.
So the meaning 'to copulate' possibly is from after the dutch emigration to
South Africa.
Volgens my etimologiese bron,  (Boshoff en Nienaber), is 'neuk' platvloers 
maar sonder
die seksuele konnotasie, en wel (volgens Kiliaen, C "Etymologicum" (1599 en 
1777) uit
M.Ndl. 'neuken' wat 'futuere' of 'coire' sou beteken.
Foeter in Afrikaans beteken huidiglik 'slaan' (platvloers) 'peuter' en 'lol' 
eerder as 'kopuleer', soos in:
'Wat foeter jy nou met die kar se draadwerk? of 'Ek foeter jou as jy die 
hond weer skop!'
Groete,
Elsie Zinsser

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From: jonny <jonny.meibohm at arcor.de>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2005.09.20 (06) [A/E]

Hi, Elsie, Theo and Ron,

about LS: 'nuecksch":

Elsie:
> nuk - obstinate
> nukkerig - as in LS "upsternaatsch"
> neuk - to hit (originally to copulate),
> nok - corner (nook),
> beneuk -moody/uneven temper.
Wow- isn't it possible? Over there at ZA there are even more derivations
than here.
We  still have
> neuk - to hit (originally to copulate),
> nok - corner (nook),
 and then Noeck: a kind of male 'Udine', with some bad power, like 'Faun'.

Theo:
> So the meaning 'to copulate' possibly is from after the dutch emigration
> to South Africa.
I don't think so, Theo, because it's still used here in Germany (LS).

Ronnie, my dear!
> Daar hest maal wedder deep in d'n buydel langd un 'n vetten brokken
> ruut-vischt.
Oule Bangbüx :-)! De Fehrs-Gyld mookt sick dat fooken tou eynfach. Dat
mag'st ne schrieven, hm??? Man - niege Woyr utklam'seern, door büst ne bang
mit...!

Kumpelmenten

Johannes "Jonny" Meibohm

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From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
Subject: Etymology

Jonny,

*Ik*? *Bang*? Laat my an land!  Mit bang har dat keyn belang hat.  In vette 
brokkens dou ik rin-byten, un vun neye woyrd' hev ik ook 'n barg, laat jüm 
lysen in bloumen-püt tou huus' up 'n vinster-sül wassen ... un as 
poggen-stoyl dout dey wassen, seg ik Dy.  Later krigst den maal 'n schoynen, 
groten ruykel-busch vun my, dat Du maal wedder wat tou hoegen hest.  Mit 
"Widmung." Sünner-uutgaav' voer us Jonny.  ;-)

Kumpelmenten,
Reinhard/Ron

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