LL-L "Names" 2005.09.23 (04) [E]

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From: Críostóir Ó Ciardha <paada_please at yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: LL-L "Names" 2005.09.23 (01) [E]


Ron wrote:
"Bedlam (< Bodle Lum 'at the buildings')..."

I thought "Bedlam" was a Middle English garbling of "Bethlehem"?

Go raibh maith agat,

Criostóir.

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From: Karl-Heinz Lorenz <Karl-Heinz.Lorenz at gmx.net>
Subject: LL-L "Names" 2005.09.22 (11) [E]

> From: Henno Brandsma <hennobrandsma at hetnet.nl>
> Subject: LL-L "Names" 2005.09.22 (06) [E]
>
> The -um is Frisian, but the pronounciation in Frisian is with a schwa
> [@],
> in by far the most dialects, and at least in all North-Frisian varieties.
> Also in West Frisian a  place like Winsum is pronounced [we:~s at m], Makkum
> as
> [mak at m] and so on.
> (never [um], as suggested to Germans by the spelling!). In North  Frisian
> spelling this schwa
> is written -e-. The -(g)em in Dutch names is [E] or [@], depending on
> stress.

O.k., so "Husum" is the traditional Frisian spelling and "Hüsem" a HG
spelling to make sure a correct Frisian pronunciation. But how does this
match the efforts to avoid HG spelling in lowlands languages?

Karl-Heinz

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From: jonny <jonny.meibohm at arcor.de>
Subject: LL-L "Names" 2005.09.23 (01) [E]

Hi, Ron,

> Moorseholm (< Mooresum 'moor houses'; cf. NF Morsum!)
Just a few days ago I read that the ending '-holm' means 'island'?!
It's very often found in Northern Germany, but also farer North in the
Scandinavian countries.

Greutens/Regards

Johannes "Jonny" Meibohm

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From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
Subject: Names

Jonny:

> > Moorseholm (< Mooresum 'moor houses'; cf. NF Morsum!)
> Just a few days ago I read that the ending '-holm' means 'island'?!
> It's very often found in Northern Germany, but also farer North in the
> Scandinavian countries.

I know, and the place *is* in the northeast which was once colonized by 
Scandinavians.  However, I think the idea here is that in this name 
the -holm part (in which the "l" is not pronounced) is based on reanalysis, 
on folk etymology, since the apparently attested older name is Mooresum.

_Holm_ is a certain kind of island, I understand, something to do with an 
artificial island or some such thing, and not out in the ocean.

Críostóir:

> I thought "Bedlam" was a Middle English garbling of "Bethlehem"?

Well, I can't defend either theory, but this Bethlehem things sounds a bit 
folksy now, doesn't it?  Again, I assume that Bodle Lum is an attested older 
name.

Cheers!
Reinhard/Ron

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