LL-L "Orthography" 2006.04.22 (02) [E]

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   L O W L A N D S - L * 22 April 2006 * Volume 02
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From: I ROERDINKHOLDER <roerd096 at planet.nl>
Subject: LL-L "Orthography" 2006.04.21 (02 [E]

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ingmar Roerdinkholder" <ingmar.roerdinkholder at WORLDONLINE.NL>
To: <LOWLANDS-L at LISTSERV.LINGUISTLIST.ORG>
Cc: "Ingmar Roerdinkholder" <ingmar.roerdinkholder at WORLDONLINE.NL>
Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 5:42 PM
Subject: Re: LL-L "Orthography" 2006.04.21 (02 [E]

Mmm, something seems wrong with the codes (c?des) here.
Yeah, you're right, for most Dutch, "Frisian" and D. "Fries" automatically
refer to the Frisian of the Dutch province of Friesland, in Frisian
Fryslân. Internationally known as West-Frisian, but since West-Friesland
is a part of the Dutch province of Noord-Holland, and West-Fries the
adjective, we just say "Fries" or sometimes "Westlauwers Fries" - i.e.
Frisian spoken West of the Lauwerszee, a lake at the border of two
provinces, Frisophone Friesland and Saxophone Groningen.
West-Friesland, the area North of Amsterdam, used to be Frisian speaking
until a few centuries ago, and there are still quite a few traces of that
old languages in its moribunt dialects...

But, we shouldn't forget about East Frisian and North Frisian of course,
though spoken outside of the Netherlands, and by a lot less people than
W-Frisian. Btw I think that the old dialect of the Wadden Sea island of
Schiermonnikoog (Oddysian "Scheria" ?) could be marked as East Frisian in
stead of West Frisian, but usually isn't

Groeten
Ingmar

>From: Dan Prohaska <danielprohaska at bluewin.ch>
>Subject: LL-L "Orthography" [E]
>
>Ingmar wrote:
>"... although in Frisian, Frisian is "Frysk" of course..."
>
>... and "Frasch", "Freesk", "S?lring", "Ferring", "??mrang", "Seeltersk"
and
>probably a few other local varieties...  ;-)
>Dan 

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