LL-L "Language varieties" 2006.04.24 (06) [E/F]

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   L O W L A N D S - L * 24 April 2006 * Volume 06
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From: Ingmar Roerdinkholder <ingmar.roerdinkholder at WORLDONLINE.NL>
Subject: LL-L "Language use" 2006.04.24 (02) [F]

I think that Stellingwerven Low Saxon is so easy for Frisians to
understand because it is almost some kind of "Patent-Plat" compared with
e.g. Drenthe Low Saxon, with (West-)Frisian in the role that High German
has in the North German Low Saxon Patentplatt. However, because many of
these words and expressions shared by both Frisian and Stellingwerven Low
Saxon are not known in Standard Dutch, the Stellingwervers don't mind;
in case it would have an equally large amount of DUTCH loans, they would
be more puristic and reject and replace them by 'real' LS equivalents.
My two eurocents....
Ingmar

Piet B, answering Tomoki:
>> Ferstean sy(ynwenners) it Stellingwerfsk?
>Jawol, de measte Friezen fersteane it Stellingwarfs wol en at et net al te
>vlug praten wurdt, dan de mearste Hollanders ek wol. Utsein de typische
>folslein eigen wurden fansels.

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From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
Subject: Language varieties

Ingmar,

Don't you mean something like "Low Saxon on Frisian substrates"?  This type 
includes Stedsk and pretty much all Low Saxon dialects of Groningen, Emsland 
and Eastern Friesland.

Missingsch is German on Low Saxon substrates.

"Patentplatt" is not a language variety as such.  It is the creation of 
someone "faking" Low Saxon from a German angle.  It tends to be 
idiosyncratic or specific to small groups that construct "Patentplatt" 
together, not as a language system but impromptu made up chunks of "Low 
Saxon" on German substrates.

To give you an example of "Patentenglisch," before the beginning of an opera 
performance in Germany, an erstwhile president of Germany (Heinrich Lübke) 
is supposed to have said to Queen Elizabeth _Soon goes it loose_ (< _Bald 
geht es los_ 'It will begin shortly').  Rumor has it the guest looked dazed 
for a second or so.

Regards,
Reinhard/Ron 

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